adam c

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I really don't see what the big deal is??? If you don't like a thread, don't read it or report it. Making more sections makes it more difficult for the moderators, who already have too much to do as unpaid volunteers. In addition, many of us might not visit one of the sections, and therefore miss out on something we would have liked to read.

It's fine as-is!!!

Herblenny

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Benefit of tech 3rd gen section..

1. When searching, only few topics wills pop up when you search in specific sub forum as tech section. Instead of hundreds of when you're trying to search for info on the whole 3rd gen section.

example: type in "best exhaust" and narrow down in 3rd gen section - over 500 posts popped up..

2. Easier to keep up with threads...

example: I've missed so many good threads because so many useless threads pop up and pushing good threads to the end... And yes, I know how to use the subscribed function.. but that doesn't help when you miss it because someone asked about Exhaust, DP, MP, seq. issues, non-seq issues, blah blah blah.. over and over.. and pushes the good thread to second and third page.

3. Old geezer like me who have limited time search and reading could just browse quickily thru one specific section.. without seeing newb like threads..

example.. "I'm having issues" - go there and some newb asking about how he blew his engine racing some other kid on the street... or "Does this fit my car" - and see that he's trying to know if some front ends going to fit on his car.... I think we could eliminate some general useless topics and keep it more technical... who knows.. it might work, it might now.. But I'm for it!!

HERE is the other attempt we made last year...

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/anyone-else-sick-seeing-same-sh%2At-over-over-517794/

DamonB

Thoughts on similar idea in the Suggestions forum:

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?p=6537161

JHew84

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Like someone else pointed out in that thread a VIP forum would just further the "newbie" problem. With all of the guru's in a seperate forum that isn't available to the newbs the helpful people will all be gone and the people that need help will be left to argue amongst themselves. An idea I think would work great would be a VIP forum that is available to everyone, but only certain people can actually post replys, so you rid yourself of the incessant "newbie" posts, but the newbies that do actually want to learn can still tap that knowledge if they choose. The only problem I see with that scenario is gurus might start to receive a lot of questions through PM because the "non-VIP" members can't reply with further questions.

It isn't about reading and not reading the threads, it's about how they clutter an otherwise useful tech section. Noone is arguing that the lounge type posts have some substance and that people enjoy reading them (myself included, which i've never denied), it's just the matter of WHERE they are located. I actually think it would make less work for the moderators, they could be divided up into the different forums which would decrease their overall load of threads to moderate. Also since the forums would be more defined it would make moving/deleting/editing thread choices easier, which as a mod myself I know can be troublesome at times, and I moderate a much smaller forum. And visiting/not visiting forums is solely the choice of the member, if you are interested in topics that are posted in any forum I would hope you would choose to frequent it, seperating the lounge from a tech section would not inhibit that whatsoever. But as it stands people are choosing NOT to visit the tech section (it appears many of which are the guru's who make the tech section great) because it is being overrun with lounge type posts.

Honestly I still have yet to see a convincing argument AGAINST this change, one that's actually aimed towards the real intent at least.

DamonB

The chief argument against the change is that the idea was already tried, it was in place for some months and it failed.

Herblenny

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I understand its been tried before... but I believe that we are NOW in different time. Something that failed before might work this time around.... I really don't see the reason why we can't try it?? if it fails, turn it back to how it was... Did that before and I'm sure could be done again...

Just look at the 3rd gen section now (the 1st page).. how many of the threads that are on there now that hasn't been covered before millions of times??

JHew84

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Well I can't offer any opinions on when it was last attempted because I don't remember it being that way, and apparently it was tried years ago before I was even a member. But honestly from what i've read on the advanced tech section it was a little more exclusive about the topics that were allowed, which is not what is being proposed here. This is kind of what I was saying about people not fully understanding just what I feel ramy is proposing, and from what he's said I think he also feels people are misinterpreting his intentions. And like herblenney just pointed out times have changed and it appears there is a need for a 3rd gen lounge now, even if there wasn't back then, because of the way people are using the forum that seems to be intended for technical discussions.

dubulup

"some" of the ones not circled in red

DamonB

How many threads are in the entire FD section that haven't been covered by Rob Robinette's or Steve Ciriani's site?

As for redundant threads, why do people keep creating new ones about this very same "advanced tech" topic?

DamonB

We have a Lounge. It's called the Lounge.

I appreciate what you guys are trying to accomplish but it just won't work. You don't understand why it won't work because unfortunately you don't share the experience and perspective of the Mods here.

We could add a hundred new forums here. The result would merely be a hundred more places for people to post non-informative or misplaced threads. Adding forums will not solve a content problem, regardless of what criteria you use to admit members into them.

Mahjik

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Here's the funny thing is that it was only a few years ago. You were a member when it was here as well as most of the people posting in this thread. Its funny, how most of the people in this thread asked for it to begin with, yet they never used it or knew it existed. That worked out well!

No it was. Its the exact same idea as being proposed here. There were no posting or user restrictions on the section. The only difference from then to what is being suggested here is semantics. We called it an "Advanced Tech" section to separate the standard questions/posts where as the new suggestion is to create a Lounge section to do what? Separate the standard questions/posts.

Guys, it's the same concept just in different clothing.

The times may have changed, but the questions and the posts are the same. The main problem is people don't know how to use the forum as a whole. They want to use one little section for "everything". For instance, herblenny just made a post today about Dry Sumps. Not to pick on him, but that is something that really should be in either the 20B section or the Race Tech section as those are the real categories where it applies. Its a concept that people outside of those two areas are not going to have experience with it.

You can't expect to post any and every topic in the 3rd Gen section. While it sounds like a nice idea, it sort of defeats the purpose in some cases. The reason being, in most cases doing something like a Dry Sump has probably been covered on by many racers using 1st or 2nd gens. Leveraging their knowledge is a great asset but they aren't going to visit the 3rd Gen section if they don't have one.

I'm not knocking herblenny, just using it as an example.

mdpalmer

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Hey man, I never said I would pass either

Herblenny

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LOL! I don't mind you using me as an example... And I totally understand your point.

I did make a post about drysump.... couple of years ago (i think?) on the 20B section.

I was interested to see if any 3rd gen specific person have added to their car. Most car's I've seen are all out race/drag or non- FD RX7s.

I know this is endless debate about adding sub, sub forum.

I've dealt with this for couple of years and will continue on!

And I also agree with DamonB.. You're right.. Everythings been covered before on the Rob's site and Steve's site...

PS... I blame FDnewbie for bringing this idea back and getting me all fired up for a day!

danny hahn

Strongly agree! I've been a member since 2000 and appreciate the recent tutorials on how to use the forum and the mods quick trigger finger of late to close a thread. Carry on!

wanklin

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Look I really don't care either way, but it is not a matter of history. There is a difference between trying to lure people tech conversation into a sub thread and just creating a message board for people to post pictures and update everyone on their projects and such. It's a different approach to an old, not-so-serious problem. Basically its relegation of "crap," not relocation/concentration of supposed "quality " threads, atleast this is my understanding. You will not need to police the message board because it will be more free form by nature.

dgeesaman

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I have never seen such a thing happen in any board, forum, etc.

People are simply too selfish to always put things where they belong, especially if they feel more exposure will help their cause. Dividing just creates more borders for contention.

Dave

wanklin

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I hear ya; you guys are the experts ;o). Thanks for your volunteer work . We appreciate what you guys do on here.

Herblenny

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That reminds me.. Maybe I should post my on going project thread... Hmm.. I will start one!

wanklin

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Shoot, I'd read it.

Here's a new toy for you guys to play with. It's a hosted JPEG so you can just pop and drop:

mibad

I didn't read this whole thread, but being an *******, I have an opinion. This "car" is so well known and understood by the long term members of this forum that it really doesn't matter if there are frivolous threads. If you search for technical information you WILL find what you want to know. One of the things I like about this forum is that you guys are very tolerant of extraneous information. You all are like a second family to me. I think I'm going to cry now.

Mahjik

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Yes, that is the same 'concept' as the old Advanced Section. Moving the "good" post into a different section was the idea of the Advanced Section. You are asking for the same thing in reverse.

You can't get around having a forum and not having it policed per say. It just doesn't work. Hell, that doesn't even work in the Lounge!

So, you are saying that "Project" threads don't have any technical info in them? So, threads like Jimlab's project thread had no technical info?

wanklin

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I'm not asking for anything, I'm was just saying that it could work. I'm fine with posting project threads in the 3rd gen section. infact I have one up right now ;o) But I'm also saying that if there was a place for non tech 3rd gen threads I would use it. Ofcourse I can't speak for anyone else.

Policing would be pretty minimal

Nope, Ramy and his cronies specifically listed my project thread as garbage so I just went along with it ;o)

Mahjik

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dgeesaman & rynberg are still working through how they want to moderate the section. I had my way, but it took some time for me to find the way I wanted to do it. And my way is not necessarily everyone's way. They will do the same, it just takes some time.

FDNewbie

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With all due respect, no it isn't. Not by a long stretch.

As JHew84 was alluding to, it's apples and oranges. The Advanced Tech was essentially an UNdesirable section to the general 3rd gen populace. The ONLY ppl who went there were not just senior members, but specifically gurus - many of which (honestly speaking) weren't the most personable people lol. Plus, SELECT threads "qualified" for that section. And once they were there, they disappeared from the general public's eye...so OF COURSE that area wasn't heavily trafficked.

What I'm saying is, make the threads that the general 3rd gen populace DOES LIKE into a SUBSECTION. Ie, you'd be forced to click on that specific section to see it. The general/default 3rd gen section would remain a tech-only section (n00b, old member, guru, and everything in between...but all tech). So the FIRST thing ppl see when they visit the 3rd gen section is the tech stuff. Moreover, it's ALL tech stuff. ALL of it.

Now you may say all this will do will cause ppl to skip over the general section and go straight to the 3rd Gen Lounge. Possible. But guess what? That solves a huge problem (cluttering of the tech section), w/o creating ANY new problems.

Now if people still visit both, then you've served BOTH communities, equally. And that's the more likely situation. Because what's the #1 rule in business? Location, location, location. Simply WHERE you place the most popular area (the 3rd Gen Lounge) can make a HUGE difference on 3rd gen section dynamics. I really believe so.

And the one thing I'd like to know (at the risk of being pushy) is, even IF you're right and it doesn't work (and that's the worst possible scenario mind you), what do you have to lose? If it's time/manpower, again, I'm willing to help out (even if it's strictly limited to being able to move threads to the appropriate 3rd gen subsection only), and I'm sure other guys on this forum (and in this thread as well) would be willing to help. Most of the guys who are vocal in this thread aren't being vocal just cuz...they're vocal b/c they really believe in this and want to see the forum become a wee bit better than what it is. So they're not passive voices in any way.
Damon, check out the thread I started about JDM vendors not selling to the US. It was well contained and managed while in this 3rd gen section. Once it was moved to the Lounge (and rightfully so...I'm not complaining about that, b/c that's where it belonged BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A 3RD GEN LOUNGE lol), look what happened to the thread. I'll try and phrase this nicely...but basically there were some unintelligent posts made, and some completely off the wall and off topic posts...posts I care not to read, follow, or respond to. The thread becomes useless. Because the RX7Club has one of the LARGEST lounges of any threads, and as such, we have some of the (insert adjective here) lounge members around. Some of them are simply off the wall (to be vague) and really are ppl we can't relate to as a tight-nit 3rd gen community.

So you see, I'm very adamant about there being a NEED for a 3rd Gen Lounge, b/c there are certain unique 3rd Gen non-technical topics we'd like to discuss and share, but *without* the side effect of cluttering up the tech threads. That's all. It's really that simple IMO.

I have no problem taking the blame. I honestly and sincerely see a problem and desire trying the proposed solution - to which I fail to see any drawbacks of. Again, I'm not a mod or admin, so I can only suggest. But I'd hope that given we've had more and more of these complaint threads about the 3rd gen section in recent times, the squeaky wheel will finally get some oil

Noooo, I didn't say it was garbage lol. I said it was trash... j/k Rob All I said was it wasn't of a strictly technical nature. It was more of you showing off your fender flares, w/ a bit of random technical stuff thrown around here and there lol. But the main theme, the core subject was visual, not technical. Yes?

That's my $0.02, and I'm sticking by it
~Ramy

PS: I hope Rynberg, Mahjik, and Dave don't hate me now lol cuz God Knows I have the deepest respect for all three of you

JHew84

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I'll second this notion, I have years of moderator experience on multiple forums and I would personally be willing to lend any help needed. I spend a good majority of my free time on these forums (hence why i'm also voicing my opinion strongly) and helping keep a certain forum clean and on topic would be nothing out of the usual. Although I doubt this is what's holding it back, i'll still offer my services .

, i'll also second this, please don't take any of my comments as disrespectful. The moderators do a great job, my only complaint is that the boundaries within which they moderate need to be adjusted. And as a last comment before I bow out of this thread (or at least try ), I think that the people who are using the advanced tech forum to support their argument might not be giving this proposal as much thought as it deserves. I realize you guys feel it has been tried and failed in the past, but I also feel that this skews your opinion on trying it again to the point where your not willing to give it a chance simply because it has already failed in your mind, when this time around with the alterations ramy has suggested it could be a great asset to the forum.