354HP @11 psi with Dyno sheet
08-17-02, 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by black99
You totally missed my point. The point was not that I had an rx7 that makes 400rwhp.
My point was that if I post a dyno graph with nothing on it but hp and torque #'s and tell someone it came from stock twins, 10 psi, etc. And it's PFS built and tuned. This time let's I post one that says say 356rwhp. Then alot of people who don't do research on how much is possible on stock twins at 10 psi won't question it because they think that it's possible and/or they're just excited that their friend or another forum member made that hp.
There would also be people that were the naysayers that would question it. For whatever reason be it they have dynoed their car with the same mods , read graphs of other cars with the same mods and not near that hp or that they just don't trust that PFS did this legit or see why Ryans was the first car ever to come out of PFS with these numbers. Then lets say I never ever gave out any more info to those naysayers. You have all those naysayers convincing other people that somethings up.
I was not saying that "Marylanders are gullible". But that you guys don't question the dyno because you guys know Ryan well not because you know anymore info than us(except Wargasm, he was there so he does know a little more).
Alot of you guys that hang out together blindly take up for each other(Not Wargasm though and usually not 93 R1 though which is why you comments suprised me). You have always been laid back and cool for the most part. And I'm sorry to tell you that most of your posts both of Ryans threads were as bad as Ryan's brother gets sometime. Assanine, Inmature, and prove nothing comments like "Ryans car is faster than yours". I have to say if you look back at the thread there are lots of posts like this from people all across DC and Maryland, that's why I made my comment about you guys blindly taking up for each other. Stop acting like an *** and I won't treat you as one.
Wargasm is friends with Rikki and he simply stated what he knew. There was no flaming towards him and no rude comments from him directed at anyone else. I actually think it's awesome that he's not getting in the middle of all this, merely stating what he knows.
Oh I am not originally from PA by the way. Originally lived in Westminster just like you.
You totally missed my point. The point was not that I had an rx7 that makes 400rwhp.
My point was that if I post a dyno graph with nothing on it but hp and torque #'s and tell someone it came from stock twins, 10 psi, etc. And it's PFS built and tuned. This time let's I post one that says say 356rwhp. Then alot of people who don't do research on how much is possible on stock twins at 10 psi won't question it because they think that it's possible and/or they're just excited that their friend or another forum member made that hp.
There would also be people that were the naysayers that would question it. For whatever reason be it they have dynoed their car with the same mods , read graphs of other cars with the same mods and not near that hp or that they just don't trust that PFS did this legit or see why Ryans was the first car ever to come out of PFS with these numbers. Then lets say I never ever gave out any more info to those naysayers. You have all those naysayers convincing other people that somethings up.
I was not saying that "Marylanders are gullible". But that you guys don't question the dyno because you guys know Ryan well not because you know anymore info than us(except Wargasm, he was there so he does know a little more).
Alot of you guys that hang out together blindly take up for each other(Not Wargasm though and usually not 93 R1 though which is why you comments suprised me). You have always been laid back and cool for the most part. And I'm sorry to tell you that most of your posts both of Ryans threads were as bad as Ryan's brother gets sometime. Assanine, Inmature, and prove nothing comments like "Ryans car is faster than yours". I have to say if you look back at the thread there are lots of posts like this from people all across DC and Maryland, that's why I made my comment about you guys blindly taking up for each other. Stop acting like an *** and I won't treat you as one.
Wargasm is friends with Rikki and he simply stated what he knew. There was no flaming towards him and no rude comments from him directed at anyone else. I actually think it's awesome that he's not getting in the middle of all this, merely stating what he knows.
Oh I am not originally from PA by the way. Originally lived in Westminster just like you.
As for my comments and actions. I admit that sometimes I do go overboard. It just pisses me off when people who don't know Ryan, or his car, or anything to do with it bash him. I stick up for my friends and what I believe in.
Then when I defend Ryan people tell me I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm just a kid and all this ****. There are certain people on this forum who have way too much time on their hands and like stirring up trouble, thats why this is such an issue. Its o.k. to doubt things you see but why does it come down to this?
08-17-02, 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by rynberg
My point was that none of you (except Wargasm) was there for the dyno and tuning of the car. So, none of you know anything more than we do. Unless you all know "Rikki's secret sauce" to gain the high numbers and just aren't telling the rest of us. Unless this is the case, you are just posting blindly and accepting the results because you're a friend of Rikki's/member of the PFS cult.
Also, I felt inclined to comment because all of the Rikki supporters have taken this personally for some reason. The rest of us are just trying to get straight answers, that's all. Some of us have done it more tactfully than others, but we are all just curious as to how the power was achieved. What is so wrong about that?
Oh by the way, the last line of your sig is not only immature, but ridiculous. There are many forum members making more power on the twins and are probably tuned more streetable to boot. I won't even mention any of the dozens of single turbo owners.
My point was that none of you (except Wargasm) was there for the dyno and tuning of the car. So, none of you know anything more than we do. Unless you all know "Rikki's secret sauce" to gain the high numbers and just aren't telling the rest of us. Unless this is the case, you are just posting blindly and accepting the results because you're a friend of Rikki's/member of the PFS cult.
Also, I felt inclined to comment because all of the Rikki supporters have taken this personally for some reason. The rest of us are just trying to get straight answers, that's all. Some of us have done it more tactfully than others, but we are all just curious as to how the power was achieved. What is so wrong about that?
Oh by the way, the last line of your sig is not only immature, but ridiculous. There are many forum members making more power on the twins and are probably tuned more streetable to boot. I won't even mention any of the dozens of single turbo owners.
He isn't going to give you the "secrets" so this should be done with.
I know the sig was stupid. It has been modified.
08-17-02, 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by KevinK2
350 rwhp @ 7500 rpm, 11 psi ... what does it take???
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at 100% breathing efficiency, 601 CFM ( 7500, 11 psi )
at 100% IC efficiency, 70F, thats 44.5 lb/hr air flow into engine.
at 11:1 a/f, fuel flow is 4.0 lb/min, or 243 lb/hr fuel.
BSFC tells how much fuel energy goes to hp vs heat, for specific type of engine. although the BSFC for stock FD is .65, tuned FD will be around .55 to .60. At this power level, factor from rwhp to eng is 1.12.
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@.55 ..... @.60 BSFC
100% IC and Breathing eff'y:
442 ........ 405 _ eng hp
395 ........ 362 _ rwhp
90% IC, 89% breathing efficiency:
316 ........ 289 _ rwhp
12:1 a/f, 90% IC, 89% breathing efficiency:
344 ........ 315 _ rwhp
so in theory, big IC well cooled before run, new engine for low bsfc, mabe closer to 12:1 at top end, turbo tweaks to reduce back pressure and improve breathing .....
350 rwhp @ 7500 rpm, 11 psi ... what does it take???
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at 100% breathing efficiency, 601 CFM ( 7500, 11 psi )
at 100% IC efficiency, 70F, thats 44.5 lb/hr air flow into engine.
at 11:1 a/f, fuel flow is 4.0 lb/min, or 243 lb/hr fuel.
BSFC tells how much fuel energy goes to hp vs heat, for specific type of engine. although the BSFC for stock FD is .65, tuned FD will be around .55 to .60. At this power level, factor from rwhp to eng is 1.12.
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@.55 ..... @.60 BSFC
100% IC and Breathing eff'y:
442 ........ 405 _ eng hp
395 ........ 362 _ rwhp
90% IC, 89% breathing efficiency:
316 ........ 289 _ rwhp
12:1 a/f, 90% IC, 89% breathing efficiency:
344 ........ 315 _ rwhp
so in theory, big IC well cooled before run, new engine for low bsfc, mabe closer to 12:1 at top end, turbo tweaks to reduce back pressure and improve breathing .....
You win the Sherlock award on this... pretty good analysis and supports the premise that this number is within the realm of believability BUT AT THE EDGE. Therefore, I expect to see another post from Rikki about more free porting and another Malloy Reman.
08-17-02, 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by black99
Why do you feel the need to post under two entirely different names in the same thread Dr. Strange?
Why do you feel the need to post under two entirely different names in the same thread Dr. Strange?
Because my computer crashed and I lost windows. I had my password saved by windows so I wouldn't have to remember it. So when I was banned I registered as Dr. Strange and I use that screen name at work. Sooo I got my hands on a old 486 which i'm on now. It took me about twenty tries to get my password to Fd3BOOST correct so I was using Dr. Strange simply because I knew the password.
So my question to you is.
Why are you so anxious to bust my ***** when I've been completly friendly toward you and even sold you an ECU when you needed it. Also when I got a little out of hand with Gordo I followed your good advice and apologized to him about it. You said I was being immature which I was although your younger than me. I didn't jump into your grill about it.
So why are you all over mine ???:CONFUSED:
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aka Dr. Strange
you get the point???
???
08-17-02, 07:08 PM
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Because first you said Congrats to ryan under one name and then you jumped on under another name and said congrats again. It was just confusing and I don't see why. To make it look like 2 different people? It would at first seem like it, but there's no reason to do that because it doesn't affect anything that I can see. So I was confused.
Yeah we have both been cool in the past, you sold me an ecu, I tried to give you a tip of where to find a gas door. It's cool. I often PM people to tell them about something, even if we've had our differences.
I don't remember the Gordon incident that you're speaking of. However, you can be immature no matter if you're 65 or 25.. I seen no wrong in calling you immature because you're older than me. Which is only by like 2 or 3 years if I'm not mistaken.
I have always been pretty cool with you, 93 R1, and even Ryan. Hell I've admited several times that Ryan knows lots about FD's. Even when trying to set him straight for stuff he says that I don't think is right I always have given him respect by telling him he knows his stuff but he's saying immature things. And I'll admit I've used his site before and I have thanked him for his info.
It pisses me off though to see someone I thought was cool and an smart person making immature comments. At that point it doesn't matter if you are cool to me or not I will jump your case if you start making uneducated assanine remarks about other members. Especially at other respected members that only want to ask questions and receive answers.
Do I now hate you guys? No, not at all. All 3 of you guys are very smart. And again I respect that and you're cool with me. No harm done. But at the same time I'm not afraid to speak up and say when someone is just being a jackass about something by saying comments that have nothing to do with the topic of a thread. Like comments about someones age. Even if they're cool with me.
And I won't jump on the bandwagon and believe something just because I somewhat know someone, or even if they're a friend. I have questions and no matter if they're a friend or not I'd still want to know the answers.
Yeah we have both been cool in the past, you sold me an ecu, I tried to give you a tip of where to find a gas door. It's cool. I often PM people to tell them about something, even if we've had our differences.
I don't remember the Gordon incident that you're speaking of. However, you can be immature no matter if you're 65 or 25.. I seen no wrong in calling you immature because you're older than me. Which is only by like 2 or 3 years if I'm not mistaken.
I have always been pretty cool with you, 93 R1, and even Ryan. Hell I've admited several times that Ryan knows lots about FD's. Even when trying to set him straight for stuff he says that I don't think is right I always have given him respect by telling him he knows his stuff but he's saying immature things. And I'll admit I've used his site before and I have thanked him for his info.
It pisses me off though to see someone I thought was cool and an smart person making immature comments. At that point it doesn't matter if you are cool to me or not I will jump your case if you start making uneducated assanine remarks about other members. Especially at other respected members that only want to ask questions and receive answers.
Do I now hate you guys? No, not at all. All 3 of you guys are very smart. And again I respect that and you're cool with me. No harm done. But at the same time I'm not afraid to speak up and say when someone is just being a jackass about something by saying comments that have nothing to do with the topic of a thread. Like comments about someones age. Even if they're cool with me.
And I won't jump on the bandwagon and believe something just because I somewhat know someone, or even if they're a friend. I have questions and no matter if they're a friend or not I'd still want to know the answers.
08-17-02, 07:15 PM
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Also let me go on record to state that I think that it's cool that even though Ryan and Gordon have had their differences that Gordon invited Ryan to his Bar-B-Que and Ryan accepted. I think the PFS vs. Gordon controversy caused some hard feelings between people that were on either side of the arguing. But it's cool that people in NE may still be able to get along.
08-17-02, 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by 93 R1
He isn't going to give you the "secrets" so this should be done with.
He isn't going to give you the "secrets" so this should be done with.
not going to give us the secrets to air fuel and the pfs magic port.....what a shame. I think revealing that sort of information would be extremely good for the rx7 community, i'd know I would share it. I just hope that when some newbie does a search and runs across the current info we have on his dyno, they realize that unless they know this guys tricks they aren't going to come close to that power with those mods and boost levels. Rikki, can you answer this question? How streetable is this secret setup? You know, are there anything that would need to get use too other than the power? Would the normal person have to worry about the motor blowing due to "on the edge tuning"?
08-17-02, 08:04 PM
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if the afr's are on the edge of the envelope as many of us are suspecting, he will run it all of the time. and in that case, he'll have an expensive gas using somewhat daily driver.
i would like to view the slips tomorrow as well. i am very anxious to see some kind of difference than with the orig. engine that he ran the 12.4XX in. wondering if the non seq an dslightly aggressice port will hinder the "off the line" or 60ft time. we all know that the key to a GREAT time is within the first ~100 feet or so.
i also want to add that i am glad that the firee has somewhat subsided for now.
good luck ryan, and, for everyone's sake, post the slips when you get a good one....
louis
i would like to view the slips tomorrow as well. i am very anxious to see some kind of difference than with the orig. engine that he ran the 12.4XX in. wondering if the non seq an dslightly aggressice port will hinder the "off the line" or 60ft time. we all know that the key to a GREAT time is within the first ~100 feet or so.
i also want to add that i am glad that the firee has somewhat subsided for now.
good luck ryan, and, for everyone's sake, post the slips when you get a good one....
louis
08-17-02, 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by rynberg
My point was that none of you (except Wargasm) was there for the dyno and tuning of the car. So, none of you know anything more than we do. Unless you all know "Rikki's secret sauce" to gain the high numbers and just aren't telling the rest of us.
My point was that none of you (except Wargasm) was there for the dyno and tuning of the car. So, none of you know anything more than we do. Unless you all know "Rikki's secret sauce" to gain the high numbers and just aren't telling the rest of us.
, those in attendance that day were:Ryan (Don't Be a Rikki)
Peter Farrell (Peter Farrell Supercars)
Ray Wilson - Works for PFS, not sure of his forum name
Myself (Wargasm)
Chris (7-Sins)
Dean ??? - Chris's little brother, not sure if he has a username
Mystery Person ??? There was one other person in attendance, but I forgot his name... my apologies.
Best Regards,
Brian
08-17-02, 08:39 PM
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hey im Dean and im not chris's brother =0P Just a good friend. I'm just looking to buy a FD within the next year and thought I would chill with you guys there to get my own opinion of peter and caus I got nothin better to do.
For all of u non believers out there get over it he made the numbers and the rest is history. Hopefully i'll see you guys at MIR if chris will get off his lazy *** and if it doesnt rain.
The other guy theres name was Mike i believe.
-Dean
For all of u non believers out there get over it he made the numbers and the rest is history. Hopefully i'll see you guys at MIR if chris will get off his lazy *** and if it doesnt rain.
The other guy theres name was Mike i believe.
-Dean
08-17-02, 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by Rex-VII-FD3S
For all of u non believers out there get over it he made the numbers and the rest is history
For all of u non believers out there get over it he made the numbers and the rest is history
Also, I just wanted to state that I have no hard feelings toward anyone and I hope that's mutual. We are all just part of a sick club here that is addicted to these cars. Let's continue to learn and help each other. Good luck with the car, Rikki. I hope that new engine lasts a while.
08-17-02, 10:59 PM
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we will wait and see the TIME SLIPS!
what if he blows it tomorrow at the track? holy ****....
j
we will wait and see the TIME SLIPS!
what if he blows it tomorrow at the track? holy ****....
j
)Off topic - Isn't the IS300 Lexus that PFS is running is nothing more than a baby Supra MKIV with a huge turbo and some more piggybacking of ECU with the TECIII? If so, then it means huge turbo lag on the street but great dyno and quarter mile numbers. Why would someone take a perfectly streetable car and ruin it just for 11 to 12 seconds passes is beyond me
08-17-02, 11:05 PM
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btw...if it is as gordon suspects and is a rather aggressive port along with his afr and the non seq I will say this..HIS CAR IS GONNA BE LAGGY AS HELL DOWN LOW!!
non seq-lag....streetport-low end torque loss (plenty)...a bigger port -a total trade of low end for the benefits of high end gains...lotso power LOSS down low.
sure he may have hit high power (if its all true) but at what cost?? if his power is all around 6-8k as i suspect then his motor will not last long taking that kind of heat abuse. It will also be a total bear on the street...
i have a big streetport and couldnt stand the low end loss and thus went with the m2 ballbearing twins to get the low back. no way would i ever trade my low end again for some high end fun.
good luck with it...the more i think about it the more i see what you may actually have rikki.
if you are only driving your car at the track then it will be fun Im sure...but if you are daily driving it then you took it up the you know what when you went with the huge port.
was trading your cars daily drivability worth saving pfs reputation with a high hp dyno graph?
lol..then again i could be wrong about this...haha
laters
j
non seq-lag....streetport-low end torque loss (plenty)...a bigger port -a total trade of low end for the benefits of high end gains...lotso power LOSS down low.
sure he may have hit high power (if its all true) but at what cost?? if his power is all around 6-8k as i suspect then his motor will not last long taking that kind of heat abuse. It will also be a total bear on the street...
i have a big streetport and couldnt stand the low end loss and thus went with the m2 ballbearing twins to get the low back. no way would i ever trade my low end again for some high end fun.
good luck with it...the more i think about it the more i see what you may actually have rikki.
if you are only driving your car at the track then it will be fun Im sure...but if you are daily driving it then you took it up the you know what when you went with the huge port.
was trading your cars daily drivability worth saving pfs reputation with a high hp dyno graph?
lol..then again i could be wrong about this...haha
laters
j
08-18-02, 12:01 AM
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As KevinK2 ointed out and Artguy just surmised, Ryan's car must indeed have a seemingly larger port. From KevinK2's post:
_____ ernie __ cw __ Rikki
3500.....220.....200...~175
4000.....240.....225......210
Looks like Ryan is down on torque in the lower rpms, before transition.
Looking at an old run of mine where my max rwhp was 321, I made 242ish i torque at 3500 rpms, 242ish again at 4000rpms. Boost level was 12, creeping ever so slightly to 12.2 according to the PFC, stock ports and turbos. So apparently Ryan's is a more peaky engine with a loss in low end power. If that's what he wants, cool, its his car.
Knowing Peter atleast from a consumer stand point who actually drove up there to get Mitch Piper to work on the car back in 96, I would have had alarms going off in my head that when he made the statement not to tell anyone what the A/F ratios were, I'd have thought...why not? Not..."sure Mr. Farrell, I won't tell anyone." Did Peter give a reason as to why since I don't believe he'd ask everyone who was there not to say anything, that's just weird.
Am I paying for a run or two or is Gordon paying it all
Does Reto still run/own the big list?
Tim
_____ ernie __ cw __ Rikki
3500.....220.....200...~175
4000.....240.....225......210
Looks like Ryan is down on torque in the lower rpms, before transition.
Looking at an old run of mine where my max rwhp was 321, I made 242ish i torque at 3500 rpms, 242ish again at 4000rpms. Boost level was 12, creeping ever so slightly to 12.2 according to the PFC, stock ports and turbos. So apparently Ryan's is a more peaky engine with a loss in low end power. If that's what he wants, cool, its his car.
Knowing Peter atleast from a consumer stand point who actually drove up there to get Mitch Piper to work on the car back in 96, I would have had alarms going off in my head that when he made the statement not to tell anyone what the A/F ratios were, I'd have thought...why not? Not..."sure Mr. Farrell, I won't tell anyone." Did Peter give a reason as to why since I don't believe he'd ask everyone who was there not to say anything, that's just weird.
Am I paying for a run or two or is Gordon paying it all
Does Reto still run/own the big list?
Tim
08-18-02, 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Tim Benton
Am I paying for a run or two or is Gordon paying it all
Does Reto still run/own the big list?
Tim
Am I paying for a run or two or is Gordon paying it all
Does Reto still run/own the big list?
Tim