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The car would be worth less with a 13bt than with no drive train.
Ok so if im following your logic, swapping a running 20b making 400hp would also "make the car worth less." Different rotary than stock right? eeeh?
Guys, I plan on installing a factory correct rew at some point. I just want to capitalize on a platform that I invested a lot of time an effort into while preserving one of my favs, the fd. I bought this car with a rocketbunny kit half installed. Not my flavor. I want to keep it factory exterior with a rotary.
im saving this car from a hack job.
Last edited by lovingthefc3s; 11-18-19 at 04:01 PM.
None of this makes sense because you have an fc. Assuming it was running and driving just fine, you pulled the motor out to adapt it to an fd. Theres no reason for this. 5k and whatever else you're into this process for along with the time spent could go a long way in making your FC better. The situation you out yourself in just doesn't make sense. Seeing as how you acknowledge this in your OP, you are clearly aware of what you're doing and just came here for the affirmation of other members on what you're doing. YOU know what you're doing isnt logical, yet you proceed anyway.
You say you plan on putting a rew in it at some point which further bolsters the point that this whole process is a waste of time. Even if you end up getting it running, what will be the point? Since you plan on putting a rew in, that would imply you're going to put this motor BACK in the fc????
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It's just such a tremendous waste of time and effort..... and a whole fd. Instead of putting this effort into doing the rew from the start, you want to do this swap just to have to undo it later for no other reason than to drive an fd. Just looking at the facts, that's what's happening. When it comes to finding ways to burn money and waste time, we all have our own techniques but this on a new level.
I don't know much about 13BT engines, are the engine mounts in the same exact place as a 20B? There are install kits to mount a 20B in FD, and if you're really lucky these brackets might do the job for cheap: https://xcessivemanufacturing.com/ma...0b-fd-mmb.html
If you're good at welding and familiar with FC's, maybe chop up a spare FC subframe and graft it onto an also-chopped-up FD subframe?
Then you'll still need to deal with the transmission.
I agree FD's are fun and it might be fun to salvage a rolling chassis, but what was wrong with your old FC that made you want to pull the engine out? FC's are fun too, just a little older interior and exterior styling.
I had my first T2 back in 2004, drove the **** out of it. From Mi, to FL where it lived for years, then back to MI. Then I bought the red vert in 2008 and swapped all my goodies into it. Then I bought this fd a few weeks ago. I pulled the engine out of the vert and stuck it into the fd. I have the tail housing coming in a few days so i shouldnt have to modify anything with the trans mounts. I have a buyer for the vert. I love the fc, hence my username, im just ready to let go of it. I think this is a cool idea as I haven't seen anyone else do it, and I dont plan to modify the fd chassis at all. I simply want to fab my own mounts and run this motor for a while. Who knows, maybe ill eventually put the 13bt in a dune buggy? It just seems logical as the only thing keeping me from turning the key and starting this fd up and enjoying some spirited driving, are 2 engine mounts. It literally wont cost me anything. Think about that. Down the road when I get into an rew or 20b, it will take me 1.5hrs to pull this engine out. No harm, no foul.
Ok so if im following your logic, swapping a running 20b making 400hp would also "make the car worth less." Different rotary than stock right? eeeh?
A 13BT is going back in time- it's degeneration and a cheaper engine. Assigning similar value to a 13BT and running 20B is dense, a built 20B is worth a good chunk of money by itself. Let me try to level here.... Would swapping a 12A Turbo into a Turbo II be a wise choice?
Fab your mounts- install the engine, wire it, and waste your time. It's your time, you decide how to use it, just don't try to ask people for advice and then get upset when they don't write what you want to read. IMO you'd be ahead to just sell it separately when you sell the car and buy someone's running LHD 13B-REW pullout for $2,500-$4,000.
I'm just confused why the OP even bothered asking a question since they clearly already have all the answers they're willing to accept???
(This is a rhetorical question btw)
READ.
I posted that I would appreciate anyones advise. Not a question. I also asked for people posting non constructive replies such as yours, to not bother.
READ.
I posted that I would appreciate anyones advise. Not a question. I also asked for people posting non constructive replies such as yours, to not bother.
Bro, your responses haven't indicated appreciation for anybody's advice so far. You wanted validation for a horrible idea and you've gotten offended by being told the truth.
Clearly you're not very good with catching sarcasm if you thought that I was genuinely confused. If you actually believe that you've approached this in a manner that's receptive to advice then I'd say you have a bit of cognitive dissonance to work through.
Good luck with your endeavor though! You'll have an FD that's unique like that ugly one that got turned into a vert a decade or so ago... I'm sure they were super proud of their accomplishment as well...
Edit: I mean, kudo's for saving the FD from the rocketbunny abomination... But you're definitely running backwards through a corn field by breaking a running car to put the wrong motor into another non-running car...
I had my first T2 back in 2004, drove the **** out of it. From Mi, to FL where it lived for years, then back to MI. Then I bought the red vert in 2008 and swapped all my goodies into it. Then I bought this fd a few weeks ago. I pulled the engine out of the vert and stuck it into the fd. I have the tail housing coming in a few days so i shouldnt have to modify anything with the trans mounts. I have a buyer for the vert. I love the fc, hence my username, im just ready to let go of it. I think this is a cool idea as I haven't seen anyone else do it, and I dont plan to modify the fd chassis at all. I simply want to fab my own mounts and run this motor for a while. Who knows, maybe ill eventually put the 13bt in a dune buggy? It just seems logical as the only thing keeping me from turning the key and starting this fd up and enjoying some spirited driving, are 2 engine mounts. It literally wont cost me anything. Think about that. Down the road when I get into an rew or 20b, it will take me 1.5hrs to pull this engine out. No harm, no foul.
Again, not trying to be abrasive, but its significantly more than two engine mounts. The clutch lines are routed for the FD's transmission, that would have to be adapted. Have you looked into whether adapting the tailshaft onto a TII trans will cause any issues with length/shifter placement? Are you complacent with possibly running around without a working speedo? What are you going to do about coolant hose fitment? There is way more involved in this than just getting the engine to fit, and properly at that. What about adapting the existing 13BT harness to the FD dash/body harness? Intercooler piping?
I'm not trying to attack you as a person, but, honestly it looks like you wanted an FD bad enough, you could afford a roller, which, cool, save it from the rocketbunny eye vomit. Now you can't afford to buy/build/install an REW, so you are taking one running car to make a half running car, if that makes sense.
I really hope some of the "Cheap FC owner" mentality isn't at play here (not all FC owners are, though, obviously.) LHD FD's are already rare enough.
Bro, your responses haven't indicated appreciation for anybody's advice so far. You wanted validation for a horrible idea and you've gotten offended by being told the truth.
Clearly you're not very good with catching sarcasm if you thought that I was genuinely confused. If you actually believe that you've approached this in a manner that's receptive to advice then I'd say you have a bit of cognitive dissonance to work through.
Good luck with your endeavor though! You'll have an FD that's unique like that ugly one that got turned into a vert a decade or so ago... I'm sure they were super proud of their accomplishment as well...
Edit: I mean, kudo's for saving the FD from the rocketbunny abomination... But you're definitely running backwards through a corn field by breaking a running car to put the wrong motor into another non-running car...
First, I have thanked you guys for the constructive criticism, not sure how you can justify that I was offended, never thought you were confused and your choice of diction is great bro.
What were you trying to say when you said, "unique like that ugly one that got turned into a vert?" Turned into a vert...its from the factory as a vert. And if you typed that by mistake, come on man, entertain other people with your comments.
Im literally seeking advise regarding the mounts. Maybe someone has done it or knows enough about both cars to help me construct these mounts. I know that I can buy an rew motor...hello.
SwappedNA, thanks for your feedback. I think with an ss line that I got a while back from corksport racing, that ill be able to make that fitment work. Im not a huge fan of the fc vert styling anymore and I have a buyer for it whereas ill make money on the sale which is rare. Ive read where the t2 driveshaft and shifter placement will work with fd tail housing, thats why im so focused on motor mounts.
First, I have thanked you guys for the constructive criticism, not sure how you can justify that I was offended, never thought you were confused and your choice of diction is great bro.
What were you trying to say when you said, "unique like that ugly one that got turned into a vert?" Turned into a vert...its from the factory as a vert. And if you typed that by mistake, come on man, entertain other people with your comments.
Im literally seeking advise regarding the mounts. Maybe someone has done it or knows enough about both cars to help me construct these mounts. I know that I can buy an rew motor...hello.
I think what he is saying, is that there was an FD that someone turned into a vert back in the day, which was imho a horrible thing to do to a rare LHD chassis, and a huge waste of time and money, like the FD limo.
Everyone here has said it's not a good idea, going to devalue the car, pointless if you are planning on pulling it back out, etc, I'm not saying anything new. I tend to agree with them. You do you, though. Food for thought, what do you think the majority of peoples IRL reaction that knows these cars will be if they see a cobbled together 13BT inside an FD? Honestly, I would just question why.
Have you looked at fan control? Being as the FD uses electric fans and the FC by default uses a clutch operated fan, that also will need tackling, and you will be dealing with hacking into an already rare part (FD Harnesses are not growing on trees, I'd vote to keep everything as original as possible.) I assume you're going to just leave the PS disconnected as well?
You are essentially going to have to spend so much time and effort, just to put a square peg in a round hole, man.
What were you trying to say when you said, "unique like that ugly one that got turned into a vert?" Turned into a vert...its from the factory as a vert.
There's a vert FD floating around and it's about as appealing as a heavily greased doorknob.. Which is the exact same class you'll be throwing your FD into by breaking your own back because you're insisting on putting the wrong keg in.
Seriously man, you're going to waste sooo much time, effort, and money trying to mate these things together when it's just not worth it... Your current block is built for 400whp? The stock REW can handle that from the factory if the tune is right, it's all about the ancillaries! If your fueling, cooling, spark and tune aren't right then it won't matter what the block is supposedly built for.
If your Banzai engine is worth what you claim then I'd either return it to the vert and increase the sale value of that car, or sell it on the forum to help pay for a brand new engine.
You're literally just slamming your head against the wall here, the correct solution has been suggested to you over and over again. You need to do a cost vs worth analysis to determine how much time this swap is really worth... then factor in that this thread is the weather-vane for how your efforts will be received by the people who you want to be peers with. You'll find that the value of your efforts will steadily depreciate right along with the car's value.
Hes on a blind path of self perceived uniqueness, I'm not sure there is any convincing him. He seriously believes what hes doing is new and special. It's never been done because its nonsense. There was a black 12a powered fd for sale in orlando earlier this year. I think he wanted 12k for it. It looked like a zombie car. An ABSOLUTE mess of wiring and things hanging all over the place. This is the path you're on. I imagine when he was hacking that car together he had the same mentality as you.
Also, I am technically an aircraft electrician as well. I have my elements 1,3 and 8 along with my ncat. In no way does aircraft electronics help with this situation.....other than proper wiring techniques. Theres no way around what you're doing. It's going to end up as a mess that's been tossed together. Just the same as everyone else it's going to be s situation of "this is just the temporary set up. Just to get it running". Lame excuse for trying to pass poor work.
You're seriously going to great lengths to bastardize an fd just for the sake of doing it. Have some patience and do it right the first time. It seems there was nothing wrong with your fc. Why couldn't you have just had both cars. Kept the running FC and continued living your life while building the fd properly in the background?
There's a vert FD floating around and it's about as appealing as a heavily greased doorknob.. Which is the exact same class you'll be throwing your FD into by breaking your own back because you're insisting on putting the wrong keg in.
You'll be happy to know that car is no longer "floating around". It had an engine fire and just about burned up in its entirety, it was on copart a couple years ago as a burnt out mess. Now you can focus all your disgust towards lambo doors and stop having nightmares about the FD convertible conversion.
You'll be happy to know that car is no longer "floating around". It had an engine fire and just about burned up in its entirety, it was on copart a couple years ago as a burnt out mess. Now you can focus all your disgust towards lambo doors and stop having nightmares about the FD convertible conversion.
Good thing Vlad managed to sell it before that happened!
Lambo doors... You know I actually broke off half of one of my molars when I was getting rid of those damned things in your driveway this summer? I can't remember if I mentioned that or not.. I could hear my dentist just shaking his head over the phone when I told him
Cr-rex, Thanks for your words. I wouldn't put a 12a in anything lol. Im just not into fc's anymore. I didnt want to do all the body work and have to spend more time and money on it, paint, wheels and tires, ect. Im also getting a fair amount for my vert roller, which is good.
I understand your thinking and why you say "bastardize," because your a purist with these cars, and only want to use what the engineers, R&D, and design designated for the corresponding chassis. I get it. Im not modifying the chassis, however. No cutting or drilling, just adapters because im curious of the outcome. My opinion is, if I dont permanently change the car, its not disrespectful to the car and the fd community. We seem too be getting polarized here. This is a small sample size of this forum.
negative... im not a purist lol i have 2 FDs. one rew and the other 1j. i enjoy swaps in the fd so long as its a japanese motor like an rb or a jz. the 5k you spent on the shell would have more than covered the things you mentioned to a fine enough degree for something like an fc. either way, i dont think anyone sees a positive outcome here. your logic of not wanting to put the effort into making your fc great again but seeing some sort of justice in doing this swap in the fd is confusing. the work on the fc would actually be meaningful and well spent whereas with this swap, its 100% a waste of time especially since you have every intention of TAKING. IT. BACK. OUT.
not even for the sake of curiosity or experimentation is this a good idea. its just an all around waste of time. when you reach the point that you realize that, it will be too late. so go, do the swap and then try and convince yourself that it was worth it to take apart a running car and rig an fd just for the sake of being able to say you have one. going off the context clues and the fact that youve provided no reasonable explanation as to why you went this route, it can only be concluded that is in fact the reason.
good luck and believe in yourself, since no one else does
11-18-19, 03:55 PM
You know I actually broke off half of one of my molars when I was getting rid of those damned things in your driveway this summer? 