^Lmfao

 

Did anyone read this?

Always the same unnamed sources, but still part of the article seems to make sense...

I don't get how the journalists went from the above quote to the conclusion that the car will be shown in 2017 and sold in 2020. The same car. That's definitely not the first interpretation that I see in that quote.
Assuming that the quote is legitimate, of course.

Andrea.

 

Its a nice article...but lots of speculation.

I really really want to believe some of these rumors. A 335kw rotary sports car from the factory? Damn...better start saving some cash

 

2017 model year is the introduction of the new emission and fuel economy standards in America. Lots of new stuff will be coming out at that time. In model year 2021 (calendar year 2020) there is another set of regulations coming in - or rather, there's supposed to be a "progress check" to determine whether the final phase for 2025 will be implemented in terms of fuel economy. Now think about it in terms of the product development cycle.

If there is a new rotary vehicle coming out for 2017 model year, the main engine hardware architecture should be reaching its main design freeze quality gates right now. So the next couple years will be spent getting the tuning right and the integration of this engine sitting in a lab into a production-ready vehicle. The basic chassis will already be rolled out with the new MX-5, and then the next variant will come in for the new rotary. In the same way, the initial variant of a new rotary is likely just being finalized now and if some high power version is coming for 2020 or 2021 it's probably in heavy development right now in labs, past modeling and proof-of-concept stage at least.

If the basic variant is an n/a model, the main things they are probably ironing out are:

1) basic architecture (eccentricity, k factor, kinda like bore & stroke on piston engine)
2) # and position of injectors and spark plugs
3) overall torque band target
4) any kind of variable stage intake system
5) emissions proof of concept on an engine dyno: cat heating, particulates, CO2 at cycle-representative speed & load points
6) basic control strategies for any new hardware (some gee-whiz ignition system, variable water and oil pump, starter-generation mild hybrid, that kind of thing)
7) basic mechanical durability, like can the various bearings and moving parts survive on a test bench

then for a high output version, a lot of that stuff will be frozen and all the hardware changes necessary will first be identified in simulation, like whether the housings can handle the extra combustion pressure wear, or whether the cooling jackets are appropriate for say a boosted condition.

 

They better build this damn thing or there's been a lot of mental energy wasted here speculating about it. Hehe

 

Just found this the other day: We Hear: Rotary-Powered Mazda Sports Car to get Electric Turbo

 

I suspect if they do it right and put a 450 hp rotary in there, we're talking a price tag north of $60 grand. Problem is, that's going to stretch the budget of most everyone on here and anyone else with that kind of coin won't really know much about the 7 a/k/a the corvette crowd, the porsche 911 crowd, the viper crowd, etc.

 

The 1993 FD was a $65,000 car in today's dollars.

 

So your saying the dollar has doubled over the last 20 years?

 

Whatever language you understand, folks on here do not have $65,000.00 to spend on a sports car today or 20 years ago. That is beyond the base C7 Corvette and scratching the bottom end of a 2 to 3 year old Porsche 911.

 

Just the opposite. Gold was $36/oz back in "B.C." but now it's $1200/oz. Guess what? Gold didn't increase in value, the dollar has decreased!

 

Assuming 3% inflation, the buying power of a dollar has almost halved since 1993.

Mailings lists, interest groups, and forums like this were founded by people who purchased the cars new. And the FD was a direct competitor to the Corvette during the mid '90s so it's not a stretch to think they'd be after similar markets again.

 

its value has halved, and its going to get worse. the inflation calculator i like says $32,000 in 1992 is $52,355 today...

 

^ 52k seems more like it. I think the inflation thing is stupid. The more people make, the more things cost.

It's almost like the economy is set up to keep people living paycheck to paycheck no matter how much they make. I live in oil country and rent has more than tripled over the last 4 years because of the oil boom. 1 bed room apartments that use to cost $350.00 a month are now $900.00. 3 bed room homes that use to rent for $900.00 are now $2,200+. Personally I could afford a 65k vehicle but that doesn't mean I wanna spend that much on something that depreciates so fast and is basically a toy. Now I am getting ready to spend a pretty penny for a loaded new 2015 Ram ecodiesel sometime early next year and an aluminum car trailer. Those things are damn near getting 30mpg highway and upper teens while towing. That could be very useful if I need to tow my 20b fd across country for future track events.

 

Calculate the cost of a 1993 FD (or anything else) in today's money using whatever values you like. $65,110 = 35,000 (1 + 0.03)^21

 

The easiest way to approximate the price of a new car is by looking at the price of comparable cars (from the same era). For a 450+hp japanese sports car the most obvious candidate in the GT-R (as well as the upcoming NSX).
That's why I fear that even 60000$ is an optimistic figure. I think that 75000$ is more like it for such a car.

Andrea.

 

I hate to say it, but-

I hope the 2017 release is something along the lines of a $35k/250hp/2,000lb rotary, hardtop, even lighter version of the MX-5. Basically an even better FD.

I hope the 2020 release is something along the lines of the $65K/450hp/2800lb high power rotary based on the revised RX-8 based chassis to "compete" with GTR, Corvette, CT-SV, ZL1, Mustang GTx, etc. Basically another 20B Cosmo.

The way I see it built stock turbo FD can still beat built GTRs in the racing I care about, I don't need something to "compete" with GTRs.

I would rather go to a whole new level with an even lighter, better handling chassis that can easily be increased in power with some aftermarket.

Afterall, its pretty easy to put 450hp in an RX-8... its not a $65k proposition to me.

 

the dollar decreased in value, that is inflation and monetary inflation comes from the increase in money supply.


it is the demand and supply of dollars in the market.

 

It's by design of an unbacked currency to continually transfer money from the working wealth creators to the banking system and government.


But if you want to continue to be slaves of the banks and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.

Josiah Stamp

Anger is wonderful. It keeps you going. I'm angry about bankers. About the government.

Terry Pratchett

In addition to their power over government based on government financing and personal influence, bankers could steer governments in ways they wished them to go by other pressures.

Carroll Quigley

Two-thirds of the directors at the New York Fed are hand-picked by the same bankers that the Fed is in charge of regulating.

Bernie Sanders

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Thomas Jefferson

 

that is a good summary!

 

Hard to compare cars today with cars from 1990 because the current corvette is a much better higher performing car and is about the same price or even less expensive than the 1990 corvette after considering inflation.

Inflation over the last 20 years has been really scary and as long as our government continues to manipulate the currency/print counterfeit $$$$$ we will suffer the consequences.

The cost of insurance has gone up 50% in the last 3 years (cost of ins for individuals where I work)

The cost of education is also out of control

Even small things like bread and milk have tripled in cost over the last 20 years blah blah

Meanwhile salaries are barely rising

Conservative Truth - US Government Printing Counterfeit Currency - Dr. Tom Barrett - 2010-09-27

 

if you adjust inflation the Rx8 was one of the cheaper rotary cars. the sticker for my 05 GT was 32k, my 87 GXL was 20K...

 

Not sure if it's true, but I 'heard' Mazda was losing money on each one sold. Might have something to do with why they were not actively advertised following the initial advertising blitz in 2004-2005.

 

That would explain their lack of marketing enthusiasm... the declining year-by-year unit sales made the end of the RX-8 seem inevitable. I kept hoping (probably not alone in this) that they would release a Mazdaspeed edition with a supercharger or turbo, but no such luck.

 

1. Mazda has never actively advertised anything ever. look at the FD, Mazda never advertised it, and yet its used in ads for just about everything else.

2. Mazda sold 260k Rx8's so they should have had enough volume to make money on it. Mazda bought a lot of engines, but other than that they were actually pretty good under warranty, they did better than the 6/Cx7's