i cant wait to see what it would look like

 

Bumping this thread with a 2.10 lap time in my daily driver FD with cooling, intake, exhaust, susp and tune mods. Otherwise bone stock and stock wheels.

No how no way is an S2k doing that without it being a full race car and or having a turbo bolted to it.

These cars a frikken brilliant and the S2k isn't in the same LEAGUE!!!!!


Dan, discuss if you'd like hehe

 

I think, in your case, it's a driver mod . You might be surprised what you could do in an s2k?

 

I read this article and felt kind of smug afterwards (2,800 lbs.):

WR Magazine

It does make sense to upgrade your brakes and learn your system if you are getting into serious racing.

An S2000 could certainly use more power on the track.

 

NOPE, NOTE, I'm following well driven caymans with all sorts of goodies bolted to them.

A very well driven highly modded S2k might squeak out a 2.12, if my DD just had a better IC I could drop 2 seconds. Put a cage in the S2k, lighten it, etc....etc......and it will likely do a 2.08. Old lap record is a 10 I think for the S2k. Now imagine what my mostly stock FD would do race prepped

I'm just saying in mostly stock form these cars do not begin to compare it's simply a night and day difference in all categories when setup and driven properly and turn each into a race car and it's no different.

If Dan can prove me wrong I'm all ears but these two cars do not compare

 

Fritz, you're part of the reason I'm selling my M3 to get an FD lol. Mazda should be paying you! As soon as this car is sold, I may try and take one of your FD's off your hands.

 

LOL.........the proof as they say is in the pudding.

I'll have something nice when you are ready

 

M3 is sold, quickest car sale I've ever witnessed...hope I'm not going to regret this! lol

 

Congrats!

You'll regret it, then you'll love the FD, then you'll regret it and on and on, the fd is a bi polar little thing so get ready for a wild ride with a bi polar schizo that will drive you absolutely wild, crazy, mad etc.... but in the end the blissful moments are so intense you'll never leave her but if for some reason sanity does win and you finally wise up and kick her out the door, never fear, because you'll only go right back to her searching high a low until you have her back under your *** once again. Trust me when something makes your *** feel as good as the FD the brain doesn't stand a chance

 

Lol,
Well said Fritz.

 

Fritz doing time to Dinosaur Jr.
Classic!

 

Fritz, from jumping into TT's, you know darn well that's not an apples to apples comparison. Just using NASA, that car is already bumped one class without even knowing the power to weight ratio.

 

No it's apples and oranges and that's my whole point

Me and Dan were going back and fourth with which car handles better etc....

Do anything you want to your S2K (other than bolting a turbo or super charger to it) and this car or your old car will wipe the floor with it and that's keeping the boost at 10 or 11 psi.

In these vids I'm running 8 with it creeping to maybe 10. Notice how the caymans etc... pull away.

 

Fds and your driving skills really are something truely amazing.

 

You would certainly know

J is the man

 

Thanks man, but truly the FD in the hands of a good driver is a serious weapon and in my opinion is vastly under appreciated.

 

Yep, but just keep in mind that with intake and exhaust mods, even keeping the boost at 10PSI or a little below you are still bumping power up on the car quite a bit over stock. Healthy stock FD's are around 220 rwhp, where as we've seen basic modded FD's at 10 PSI hit 260 rwhp. I'm just suggesting that saying "this is all I've done" and then comparing to a NA car is a little silly. Yes, it's much easier to make a FI car go faster than an NA car. If you (or Dan) really want to make a direct comparison, you two should do a TTB build off.

I do agree that the FD is still a great platform. It just too bad there isn't as much open development of it in the US (like back in the Big List days).

 

Agreed the FD is in a class above the S2K from the factory and there's no reason to drive the cars in the same class. A very well setup FD would be a TTA car and it would get crushed by vettes.

I don't want to make a direct comparison but Dan does The two cars are very different or one is faster than the other.

 

I watch Best Motoring, probably every week and have seen just about every episode they have on youtube. For those that don't know what Best Motoring is, it's a Japanese based tv series where professionaly drivers take factory cars and race them, they are stage by their qualifying laptimes with the fastest times starting in the back. Every once in awhile they also do tuned series where the heavy weights come out to play. From what I've seen over the years, and I know the show is biased towards their own cars, but the NSX hands down has the best handling of them all, followed closely by the FD, GTRs, and then the s2000. Although with the right driver any of them are competitive. Even the German cars and exotics have been taken down by the Japanese 'supercars'.

Another good comparison is to watch the Touge competitions, which is racing through a forested back road pretty much...very tight narrow turns that requires a well balanced car to go fast. The RE-Amemiya FD has never lost, which includes beating highly moddified R35 GTRs.

But, the s2000, at least from the reviews and races I've watched seems like a very balanced car, probably due to its low torque on corner exit. Many of the drivers comment how easy it is to drive at the limit as well.

 

The S2K is a great car no doubt about that but the FD is the GREATEST LOL

If I had any damn sense I'd buy an S2K and turn it into a race car because they are fast enough, very reliable and fun to drive, BUT as mentioned my *** is in command and my brain is along for the ride.

 

I think the comparison is valid relative to this thread and what should be built for a couple reasons:

1. It's one thing to build an N/A car that is an underworked 7.0 liter V8, it's another to build one that's already screaming within an inch of it's life to produce 250-odd hp, like ZDan and Mazda appear to advocate. Contrast that with a 250-odd HP turbo car with much more potential without totally reworking everything. Sure, if you were to up the power/weight ratio of the S2000 to the same as the "BPU" FD, it might be a close comparison, but that's no easy task, and now you've thrown the reliability out the window, same as the FD. The cars weigh about the same... it's not like that lack of power bought you any real weight savings.

In terms of outright handling potential (independent of horsepower, which affects lap times), I don't see much of a difference between the two, but I would certainly not say the S2000 (or the NSX) is better by any means. Probably feels more stable because it's got less power to control. There's a lot of subjectiveness in "good handling"... which often translates into "easy to drive" or stability, which isn't necessarily "fast", which is often uncomfortable or demands attention.

 

Well said

A little NA engine making all it can is cool but there's no where to go AND it's just not enough in todays performance world. The stock FD has an easy 50 rwhp, fairly easy 100 but after that it can get dangerous and complicated LOL.

 

Honestly, if you were to make not a bit more power (intentionally), and purely add reliability/cooling mods to a stock RX7 TT, you'd have a pretty solidly reliable and emissions legal car even at the track. The cooling and engine management was the biggest joke with these cars.

Dual upgrade coolers, V-mount radiator/Intercooler, metal AST, a not-rediculously-restrictive intake, tuned PFC, a tie-wrap (or the '99 solonoid brick), and "9" heat range plugs all around would just about do it. Maybe a downpipe.

Add a modern set of coilovers/dampers and the '99 factory brakes and you'd be good to go with a car Mazda could have offered from the showroom for about $3-5k more. If Mazda had released the '99 car here in 93, it would probably have been fine... it just needed more development (just like the RX8)

 

^ sure, but an FD won't meet modern emissions and safety standards anyway. Neither will an Rx-8 for that matter.

 

Most people here know I've switched to a S2000:

http://mahjik.homestead.com/files/ho...4kc-0877-2.jpg

I will say that in general, the S2000 (at least the AP1) is much more twitchy than the FD. They both have that "sports car" oversteering quality, but the S2000 is much more likely to snap on you than the FD. I can't say that makes the FD platform better or worse as that oversteering quality can be utilized to a driver's benefit. However, it's like Porsches; where people say if you can drive a Porsche fast, you can drive anything.