gmonsen

In 2016, according to you back then, $17,000 could buy a very nice FD. Maybe not 4000 miles, but very nice. The point remains that buying an FD i9n 2016 for $25,000 and having it be worth $50-70,000 today is a very good investment. Hey, Fritz. You know I was one of the first people to say back in 2009 that the FD was going to follow the E30 M3 in appreciation and nobody saw that ever happening. Japanese sports car. Rotaries blow up. Not a Ferrari. All that. Heck, this thread is only 2 years old and it has gone from it being hard to sell a nice FD for $25,000 to where its easy to sell an FD for $25,000. Maybe easy to sell for $35,000 or more. Honestly, I feel somewhat vindicated for my overly optimistic views back then.

Fritz Flynn

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YEP, for decades we've both seen this car as a future collector.

We are splitting hairs discussing what used to be. Today low mileage stock FDs are worth A LOT!!!!

I started this thread because people started to list avg FDs for 30k plus and they needed a reality check, and they still do

Fritz Flynn

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This is a 25k FD: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...turbo-1135072/

It used to be an 18k FD

mkiv98

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I like using that car as a measuring stick since it's the same as mine...93 R1, 78k miles, original body california car. I bought it with 73k for 16k in 2016. It took me years to find it and I've put a lot of work into it, so I don't think I can let it go, even at 25k. It's also fairly modified with a standalone, BNR S3 turbos and ohlins DFV so I'm not sure if that adds or subtracts from the value. To me personally, high end branded mods add value because I want those parts anyway.

I should have kept the 10k mile R1 suspension I sold to you in case I ever want to make it stock hahaha

Fritz Flynn

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YEP

I suspect given your mods you could find a buyer at 30k. Quality bolt ons absolutely add value to driver type FDs.

I have my SSM currently with 56k miles listed at 30k and I won't take less for it. It either sells or I keep it. I think there are lots of us who feel this way because there just isn't a good substitute.

jsesq

Hagerty updated their valuations today:

#1 (Concours) - $54,800
#2 (Excellent) - $35,000
#3 (Good) - $24,300
#4 (Fair) - $16,900

As the $70k car is still an outlier at this point, these seem pretty much on the mark to me.

colditz_II

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70k car just happened.. I doubt that would move those numbers much just yet. Look forward to the next update

7sins

seems in line with what i have been seeing cars listed and sold for.

Fritz Flynn

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YEP...… seems about right but they are usually a little behind the curve or the actual market is always ahead of the curve and right now prices are moving higher at a fast pace.

I'm still waiting for what looks to be a 70k plus FD or a low mileage R2, CW etc....

mkiv98

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don't know if it's just me but it seems like everybody and their mother wants an FD now...people that have no business owning a rotary messaging me every day to sell mine

7sins

can i get my car first before prices get high

Fritz Flynn

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People love a band wagon of any sort but in this case it's a cool wagon to be on LOL

Fritz Flynn

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There's a lot of truth to that. I was thinking last year could be the high for a while but apparently that was more of a low hehe.

7sins

honestly the worst part about prices going up is that it raises insurance rates, higher value = more risk. the best part is it keeps kids from getting them and trashing them.

Fritz Flynn

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Yep and yep.

Another positive is that even the beat up ones will be refurbished.

mkiv98

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no! I hate to see the cars getting trashed! i feel like one of those old ladies that keep rescuing kittens and then end up with a house full of broken down cars and parts

RCCAZ 1

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Ahhh, you're assuming that Mazda will continue to make parts and support the platform, which is doubtful at best. I've been after them now for 3-4 years to start a Heritage Parts program, similar to what Nissan and others have done. Unfortunately, when their factory molds get old and sales volume goes down, they destroy their molds. Are you starting to part out RHD models yet?

Fritz Flynn

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Yep the discontinued parts thing sucks but because this car is such an icon (people will pay to refurbish) we will see aftermarket companies step up.

I don't have time currently to do much with FD parts but I'm guessing people will start to part out RHD cars here to support LHD cars.

7sins

Hopefully aftermarket companies start producing some of the hard to find parts for these cars. It was a real problem in the z32 world but companies like Z1 and Concept z have started sourcing/ producing many of these parts now. Interior parts are probably going to be the hardest parts to find, and least likely to be produced in the aftermarket but with the rising values of these cars I think it will entice more companies to invest time and effort into producing them.

I think replacement part availability will help keep these cars in the realm of realistic and keep people interested instead of fading off to obscurity, which will keep some cars out of the scrap yard.

j9fd3s

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most of the good selling FD parts have never gone NLA. the dealership i deal with stocks two FD engines, and they have sold between 2-6 engines a month for 20 years, its pretty amazing.

Mazda does have a heritage program, although its not that formal, and we have the additional trouble of it not filtering though Mazda USA

gmonsen

Anybody note the 35k mile Supra TT on BaT that sold for $77,000?

Fritz Flynn

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Crazy what these cars are selling for.

From what I'm seeing Supras cost twice as much as FDs but I'm still not giving up on my thoughts that the FD could eventually catch it, AND even blow by it hehe

LO7

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I actually DO think this could happen, under the right circumstances... If the styling continues to age so beautifully by comparison to newer cars (can't produce that shape anymore because of regulations), and if rotary technology continues to have breakthroughs and innovations + larger aftermarket following that keeps growing + machining capabilities in general keeps advancing (which they will) ... Things like laser ignition, electronic turbochargers, etc. metal/ceramic/cermet extrusion 3d printed apex seals, etc... It's possible that the rotary engine could one day be found to be the absolute best gas-powered engine by comparison to complicated piston engine designs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cermet

https://www.greencarcongress.com/201...180626-lp.html

moehler

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What's the concensus about mods? I know traditionally mods hurt collector car values, but most people who grew up loving FDs, or most 90s mports, fell in love with modding them. A stock FD is a nice drive, but a well modded FD is on a different level. I'd think that as long as a car has working stock systems (AC, Ps, emissions, etc.), boltons, a good tune, etc would drive up value. Outside of a sub 5k car, I'd personally pay more for a FD with good mods over stock.

Narfle

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I don't think single turbo setups are going to fare well as a group, although those with a keen eye will always pony up for the right work. BPU++ will probably do OK. I don't think you can go wrong with reliability mods that are done nicely.

Exactly stock is always going to win. Any deviation should be hard to argue with, or easy to justify.