How to value your FD
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jsesq (03-12-22)
03-12-22, 03:30 PM
#5032
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The body itself? SFA. Really early cars (like my 1992) were missing some extra bracing on the rear subframe, but that got added pretty quickly, pretty sure its bolt on pieces too. Need to have a gander at the other rear subframe I have there.
^^^^ This, a bloody good point for sure! I think I'd consider another front if I ever go down a route that will require drastically more cooling capacity.
You're right, S6 / 7 / 8 are just common terms that popped up. The literature refers to them as Versions 1 - 6.
All S7s came the later tails, early front bumper, and the dolphin tail spoiler. That spoiler is the one version of any of the parts fitted to an FD I'd actually call ugly. I think they're bloody awful!
Biggest change that happened is that in the S7 they went to the 16Bit ECU.
Biggest of ooooooofs. Yes, 100% :-).
S7 had the S6 front, but at some point gained the future S8 round tail light modification.
There is an argument that "S8" does not exist.
It is slang.
I have not found reference to "S8" in official Mazda literature.
The reference is to Version 5 and Version 6.
But never mind.
There is an argument that "S8" does not exist.
It is slang.
I have not found reference to "S8" in official Mazda literature.
The reference is to Version 5 and Version 6.
But never mind.
All S7s came the later tails, early front bumper, and the dolphin tail spoiler. That spoiler is the one version of any of the parts fitted to an FD I'd actually call ugly. I think they're bloody awful!
Biggest change that happened is that in the S7 they went to the 16Bit ECU.
Biggest of ooooooofs. Yes, 100% :-).
03-12-22, 05:11 PM
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Just wow!
Love the new record but I think this is the top for at least 3 years.
I suspect we are close to the top of inflation and will see major deflation in 2023................ Cash will be king in mid 2023, this type FD will be sold for 40k or lower 06/2023.
Love the new record but I think this is the top for at least 3 years.
I suspect we are close to the top of inflation and will see major deflation in 2023................ Cash will be king in mid 2023, this type FD will be sold for 40k or lower 06/2023.
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ZE Power MX6 (03-12-22)
03-12-22, 07:45 PM
#5035
Idk. I think as a rare novelty type purchase that is only getting rarer, it won't necessarily dip. The type of people that have $77k for an FD as play money are still going to have $77k over the next few years. The only way it goes down is if middle class owners that bought their FD years ago come into trouble and need to get money quickly in a market with fewer buyers.
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mr2peak (03-13-22)
03-12-22, 07:47 PM
#5036
We may need a depression to get that kind of deflation. The inflation underpinnings are getting locked in by the day.
Today's news, half the worlds production of Neon (the gas, not the cars) is in Mariupool. Neon is necessary to produce chips (the computer kind, not the food).
Oil price shock is locked in for the foreseeable future.
Unless there are a lot of Ukranian refugee truck drivers, transport costs are going to rise from many factors, including lack of truck drivers.
Potash shortages. Uranium shortages.
On and on.
Trade embargoes of those Putin sympathizer countries.
You know who you are.
Today's news, half the worlds production of Neon (the gas, not the cars) is in Mariupool. Neon is necessary to produce chips (the computer kind, not the food).
Oil price shock is locked in for the foreseeable future.
Unless there are a lot of Ukranian refugee truck drivers, transport costs are going to rise from many factors, including lack of truck drivers.
Potash shortages. Uranium shortages.
On and on.
Trade embargoes of those Putin sympathizer countries.
You know who you are.
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03-12-22, 08:04 PM
#5037
+1
I think the main point here is that we all know what spec usdm FD's came in. There's no need to pretend otherwise and I believe the term 'faking the funk' can def be applied here. I did the same thing when I built a replica RZ with my '94 some 15 whatever years ago. But since then, I've learned to not wish a specific vehicle was something it wasn't. I equate that type of thinking to a short person who dreams of being tall one day. Just love something for what it is. Which if you think about it, is ultimately what caused you to love it in the first place.
I think the main point here is that we all know what spec usdm FD's came in. There's no need to pretend otherwise and I believe the term 'faking the funk' can def be applied here. I did the same thing when I built a replica RZ with my '94 some 15 whatever years ago. But since then, I've learned to not wish a specific vehicle was something it wasn't. I equate that type of thinking to a short person who dreams of being tall one day. Just love something for what it is. Which if you think about it, is ultimately what caused you to love it in the first place.
03-12-22, 08:09 PM
#5038
It is what lies beneath.
If by Chassis we mean "body", then there is little difference in the body panels.
But starting with the Version 4 and continuing with the Version 5 & 6, there was considerable reengineering throughout the car.
So if "chassis" means the car in its entirety, there is a lot of differences between S6 and S7 and S8.
03-12-22, 08:13 PM
#5039
Maybe for you. But don't assume everyone is trying to wish a car into something it's not. Some people just like it better, for looks and also for cooling. If there is an OEM upgrade, and you live in the US where it's LHD, then it's a very logical option. To say it's wishing the car into something different is pretty stupid. So did Mazda wish it into something different in 1999? Why didn't they call it a fourth gen rx7 if it's so different?
Do you have an aftermarket exhaust on your car? Upgraded fuel pump? Aftermarket radiator or AST, After market head unit? GPS? New tires? Rims?
I smell hypocrisy...
Do you have an aftermarket exhaust on your car? Upgraded fuel pump? Aftermarket radiator or AST, After market head unit? GPS? New tires? Rims?
I smell hypocrisy...
03-12-22, 08:15 PM
#5040
I think what you are both trying to say is that you prefer the pre-99 front bumper. That's totally fine. Don't try to brainwash others that if they go 99spec they are wishing their car into something it's not or that it's a different chassis. It's the same chassis, just a different bumper. 1999 also had upgraded ABS and twin turbos and solenoids. Same chassis.
03-12-22, 08:18 PM
#5042
So do you think the spirit R is a different chassis?
I would say it's the same chassis, with 1999 facelift, and some mostly cosmetic touches to make it a special edition.
Pretty common across the entire automotive industry. Still the same chassis.
I would say it's the same chassis, with 1999 facelift, and some mostly cosmetic touches to make it a special edition.
Pretty common across the entire automotive industry. Still the same chassis.
03-12-22, 08:30 PM
#5043
The urge to "improve" our cars in various ways is strong. To each their own.
I am at 45 diversions from stock and counting.
I have had a passing thought to put a S6 front on my S8, just for the heck of it. But ,somehow, I feel that would be unnatural.
We have lost a lot of stock LHD up here to kits in the last few years. Our group had a group buy of four feed replica kits from Shine Auto, for instance.
I am at 45 diversions from stock and counting.
I have had a passing thought to put a S6 front on my S8, just for the heck of it. But ,somehow, I feel that would be unnatural.
We have lost a lot of stock LHD up here to kits in the last few years. Our group had a group buy of four feed replica kits from Shine Auto, for instance.
03-12-22, 08:41 PM
#5044
Anyone, these days, with pretensions to build a fake Spirit R, will quickly realize how special the Spirit R is.
Externally, its just a badge and wheels, dividing it from in period base S8. So maybe $5060. But if you move on to all the other Spirit R specific cosmetic changes, the costs skyrocket considerably.
Externally, its just a badge and wheels, dividing it from in period base S8. So maybe $5060. But if you move on to all the other Spirit R specific cosmetic changes, the costs skyrocket considerably.
03-12-22, 08:46 PM
#5045
I don't disagree that a spirit R replica would be pricey. But it's not a different chassis and calling a 99 spec bumper unnatural is an awfully unnatural term to use for it. It's a cosmetic modification, nothing more, nothing less. Nothing to do with the chassis.
And a pre-99 car uses the same chassis as a post-99 car. That is just a fact of life. Calling it something different is just someone making something up to spark debate (or ignorance).
And a pre-99 car uses the same chassis as a post-99 car. That is just a fact of life. Calling it something different is just someone making something up to spark debate (or ignorance).
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Manny_Apex (03-13-22)
03-13-22, 09:14 AM
#5048
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It's actually significantly more. The middle bumper opening is divided, funneling some air directly to the intercooler without passing through the radiator first. Larger opening means more cool air. This led to ~10*c cooler charge temps, allowing more boost. Oil cooling ducts are larger. Brakes have ducts, and the RZ/RS Spirit R brake backing plates are angled out to catch more of this redirected air. It's a fully engineered change, not just a cosmetic update. I believe the crash bar is lighter as well.
03-13-22, 11:47 AM
#5050
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If this is the "dolphin tail" spoiler, then it is amazing how tastes can differ - you hate it and I think it was one of the best!!
And it's basically the original OEM spoiler with floating ends - the (inboard) mounting points are the same, same profile, width, and height - just without the return to the body and the outboard mounting points.
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NoMiEzVR4 (03-14-22)