Hagerty video on the FD
01-02-22, 06:30 AM
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Given this: When is it time to go single? - RX7Club.com - Mazda RX7 Forum, I return to Dale's original thread...
My all-time hero is Richard Feynman, and his First Principle is,
"You must'n fool yourself because you're the easiest person to fool".
With that insight, am I just an FD fanboy in my disdain for the internet's overwrought narrative of the FD's fragility? The video included. Especially given Mazda's later model improvements and concurrent 'community' solutions for many, if not most, of its shortcomings? I have no quarrel with the "birth defects" of the design. But in evaluating the car in terms of today, how fair are the internet's slanderous talking-points of its inevitable self-implosion with every key-on? I find this not too dissimilar to complaining that a 30-year-old PC will constantly BSOD on the internet because Win95 won't support it. Anachronistic views of the car are misleading and not helpful.... and most distasteful to this fanboy's palate. But perhaps I'm fooling myself.
My all-time hero is Richard Feynman, and his First Principle is,
"You must'n fool yourself because you're the easiest person to fool".
With that insight, am I just an FD fanboy in my disdain for the internet's overwrought narrative of the FD's fragility? The video included. Especially given Mazda's later model improvements and concurrent 'community' solutions for many, if not most, of its shortcomings? I have no quarrel with the "birth defects" of the design. But in evaluating the car in terms of today, how fair are the internet's slanderous talking-points of its inevitable self-implosion with every key-on? I find this not too dissimilar to complaining that a 30-year-old PC will constantly BSOD on the internet because Win95 won't support it. Anachronistic views of the car are misleading and not helpful.... and most distasteful to this fanboy's palate. But perhaps I'm fooling myself.
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01-03-22, 10:32 AM
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Let's say you were really into collecting a nice mint '90s Honda Civic, such as the 92-95 generation. You have a mint '94 Civic Si at your house with 50k miles on it, all stock. There really isn't that much a '95 Civic Si needs. Or go even with a '94 Miata in similar mileage and condition. Then you go buy a similar condition bone stock well maintained '94 Rx-7 with 50k miles. In comparison the FD has waaaaaaaayyyyy more to worry about, in terms of engine, chassis/suspension, electronics, etc. It's not a Ferrari 355, but if your point of reference is a '94 Civic or Miata, it's a hand full.
An FD ain't a '93-'95 Civic, and that's a lot of people's reference point of reliability and maintenance. My clean 1995 with 50k miles I bought off Bring a Trailer needed a lot of stuff. It needed a vac job, it got a check engine light for a failed IAT sensor, the clutch hydraulics failed, it needed pillow ***** bushings and sway bar end links, and it was starting to burn oil from the turbos. All that stuff was addressed before 60k miles, not to mention the normal interior wear starting to show up.
An FD ain't a '93-'95 Civic, and that's a lot of people's reference point of reliability and maintenance. My clean 1995 with 50k miles I bought off Bring a Trailer needed a lot of stuff. It needed a vac job, it got a check engine light for a failed IAT sensor, the clutch hydraulics failed, it needed pillow ***** bushings and sway bar end links, and it was starting to burn oil from the turbos. All that stuff was addressed before 60k miles, not to mention the normal interior wear starting to show up.
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02-22-22, 01:53 PM
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^^ To close out this thread:
The question has been answered and as expected, the non-sequential setup is uber laggy
Sequential stock car:
So yeah as was mentioned in that other thread, the non-seq car is so laggy that might as well go single turbo (just pick the right turbo for the application).
Edit-
Hopefully in the future when this argument gets brought up again, people can point to that thread and end the debate right there.
The question has been answered and as expected, the non-sequential setup is uber laggy
Sequential stock car:
- WOT at 2500 RPM get 10 psi by 3200RPM (700 RPM)
- WOT at 3000 RPM get 10 psi by 3500RPM (500 RPM)
- WOT at 3500 RPM get 10 psi by 4100RPM (600 RPM)
- WOT at 2500 RPM get 10 psi by 3500RPM (1000 RPM)
- WOT at 3100 RPM get 10 psi by 4000RPM (900 RPM)
- WOT at 3600 RPM get 10 psi by 4500RPM (900 RPM)
- WOT at 2400 RPM get 10 psi by 4100RPM (1700 RPM) over 2x less responsive than the stock car at 2500 RPM
- WOT at 2600 RPM get 10 psi by 4200RPM (1600 RPM) over 2x less responsive than the stock car at 2500 RPM
- WOT at 3100 RPM get 10 psi by 4300RPM (1200 RPM) over 2x less responsive than the stock car at 3000 RPM
- WOT at 3300 RPM get 10 psi by 4400RPM (1100 RPM) close to 2x less responsive than the stock car at 3500 RPM
So yeah as was mentioned in that other thread, the non-seq car is so laggy that might as well go single turbo (just pick the right turbo for the application).
Hopefully in the future when this argument gets brought up again, people can point to that thread and end the debate right there.
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