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Old Oct 25, 2001 | 07:47 AM
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Ok, here is my "Mod list to keep your FD running happy:"

(this assumes semi-emissions legal [main cat on] and near-stock boost levels [no more than 12])

Boost gauge

turbo timer

Water temp gauge

Fan mod

Silicone hose/zip tie job

aluminum AST

catback

downpipe

NGK Plat. 9's all around/plug wires

Power FC

Intake

Aluminum Radiator

Intercooler

Battery to the hatch/storage bins

Synthetic in the tranny

When replacing the clutch, get a lightweight flywheel

If you're on a budget starting off, you don't need a BOV, don't need crazy rims, don't need a body kit or spoiler

change your oil every 2000 miles, check it at every gas fillup, let the car warm up before revving over 4k, always use 93 octane, if you see the temps get over 105 C take preventative measures immediately, pop the hood whenever feasible to get the heat out of the engine bay, whenever possible park to minimize door dings, change your plugs every 8-10k miles, check the coolant level at the radiator neck every few weeks, the list goes on and on...

I'm just typing off the top of my head here guys; feel free to correct me or chime in...

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Old Oct 25, 2001 | 10:09 AM
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if you're gonna go nuts how bout a vented hood? can't get enough cooling ya know.

that list looks like more than mods to keep your car happy. that should be good for ...what? 300ish to the wheels at stock or near stock boost?

that list is kinda what i'm going for except i went with hi flo cat instead of main.

question- when do you NEED an upgraded bov? exactly what does that help?
Old Oct 25, 2001 | 11:44 AM
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question- when do you NEED an upgraded bov? exactly what does that help?
you NEED it when you wanna hear "Psssssssssssssst".

it helps you make that noise and look cool to all of your buddies who drive hondas
Old Oct 25, 2001 | 02:54 PM
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Replace all the cooling system hoses. The ones on the turbos get brittle and fail with no warning, dumping out all your coolant. This is a common one which is never listed.

Next one is upgrade to the R1 second oil cooler (if you don't have one). One oiler cooler on a base or touring with the horsepower bumped up (or hard driving) will run the oil hot.

Fix your engine grounds.

Check that both cooling fans work. With age, it is common for 1 to fail without you noticing.

I find that you should change the plugs every 6 months under hard driving. The electrodes wear out quickly.

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Old Oct 25, 2001 | 05:10 PM
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this is a very nice post for people who need to know how to keep an RX-7 safe... I would higly recommend this list to anyone.

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Old Oct 25, 2001 | 10:36 PM
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PFC

Nice list...but i noticed you have the Power FC on their. What happens when you dont know how to tune a PFC? then what would you suggest as a alternate ECU? Also what do you need to know about cars to be able to properly tune/operate a PFC? thanks.
Old Oct 25, 2001 | 11:29 PM
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Re: PFC

Originally posted by BOOSTIN
Nice list...but i noticed you have the Power FC on their. What happens when you dont know how to tune a PFC? then what would you suggest as a alternate ECU? Also what do you need to know about cars to be able to properly tune/operate a PFC? thanks.
I'd be interested to know the answer to that too. I gather that the PFC will produce slightly more HP, and perhaps smother running, but needs to be proffesionally tuned on a dyno. Other than that, I don't think I'd ever personally need the commander! I've also heard of a few engines being blown while tuning with a PFC.
Old Oct 26, 2001 | 03:11 AM
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PFC needing to be tuned on a dyno . . .

You can say this all you want but I'm finding more and more that the base maps for intake, dp, and cb are very same and very good. Once you add the intercooler then you should add some more fuel, but it can be done somewhat easily and safely. Silverseven and I are tuning his car right now and we the base maps plus fuel added in the PIM and we are seeing good results without adding too much fuel. More to come as tuning continues ..... so don't ask for more info (yet) because we don't have final tuning complete.

My point being for people who are simply looking for slightly more power, a smoother running car and some tuning capabilites the PowerFC is the best option period. Heck is you aren't going to mod the car don't buy the commander and that will save $$ .... or buy it in a group deal to save money.

Oh yeah, battery to the hatch isn't really that necessary .... there are many alternatives to that. Not saying that is a bad thing at all, just doesn't have to be done. Hose job...don't do it till something goes. There are a handful of must change lines, but those aren't even under the manifold. I've seen too many people who pull apart their rats nest for this job and then put it back to gether wrong and anyone who has done this job knows those hoses are so brittle and hard they aren't going anywhere. Take your pick on the AST or elimination kit. I've had both and I didn't notice any difference. Also consider converting your stock coolant temp gauge to a linear gauge ... saves $$ and keeps you from adding a gauge in your interior.
Old Oct 26, 2001 | 10:07 AM
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the power FC doesn not need to be tuned, untuned it it like having a pettit ecu or M2. But hte comander, etc and start to really get some power.

I agree with most everything, Goodfellas said except for all those gauges. In my opinion you don;t need that **** if you have a commander becasue eit tells you everything. right there. Althgough I woudl get boost gauge because easier to look at.

I would also disagree with radiator. Maybe needed in Texas, but I am in georgia and have no problems, except runing to cool. TH PFC will make fans come on much earlier which makes the fan mod a complete waste of time.With PFC they will come on were normally someone woudl set with fan mod. I wouldn;t relocate battery unless you had to. I also wouldn't put a turbo timer, I thjink it is pretty much a waste of cash, modern turbochargers are very well cooled, and just driving slowly and letting it sit for 30 seconds is usually good enough.(read that on some site)

Saying that, everyone has opinions on what is needed, I know goodfellas is building quite the beastly 7 and he knows what he is talking about. I just like to save cash unless it is really needed, or I think the benefit will outway the cost.


The most important thing is PFC, PFC and another PFC. if you mod your car past inatke and dp,and CB buy it period.
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Originally posted by KZ1
the power FC doesn not need to be tuned, untuned it it like having a pettit ecu or M2. But hte comander, etc and start to really get some power.

I agree with most everything, Goodfellas said except for all those gauges. In my opinion you don;t need that **** if you have a commander becasue eit tells you everything. right there. Althgough I woudl get boost gauge because easier to look at.

I would also disagree with radiator. Maybe needed in Texas, but I am in georgia and have no problems, except runing to cool. TH PFC will make fans come on much earlier which makes the fan mod a complete waste of time.With PFC they will come on were normally someone woudl set with fan mod. I wouldn;t relocate battery unless you had to. I also wouldn't put a turbo timer, I thjink it is pretty much a waste of cash, modern turbochargers are very well cooled, and just driving slowly and letting it sit for 30 seconds is usually good enough.(read that on some site)

Saying that, everyone has opinions on what is needed, I know goodfellas is building quite the beastly 7 and he knows what he is talking about. I just like to save cash unless it is really needed, or I think the benefit will outway the cost.


The most important thing is PFC, PFC and another PFC. if you mod your car past inatke and dp,and CB buy it period.
Hi KZ1,

Good points all man, I agree with alot of what you said but must respectfully disagree w/a few points . Allow me to clarify...

re: the gauges, it's a matter of preference. I have my commander mounted w/velcro right near the red hazard button and refer to that for Boost, Inj Duty, Intake air temp, and Water temp. Some like the gauges on the A-pillar because you don't have to take your eyes off the road. But you're right; to save cash, get the FC and commander and you're set.

re: the radiator, must disagree w/you dude . Chris at RP (who knows a thing or two ) told me that w/the stock rad, it's not a question of if it'll die, but *when* it'll die. Granted, it gets hot as hell here in TX, but it gets hot in the NJ and PA summers too. Seriously, when overheating kills your motor, why **** around? The stocker is thin, poorly made, and has multiple failure points.

re: the fans, I haven't seen a difference w/my Power FC. The fan mod I'm referring to runs them on high for 10 minutes *after* the rex shuts down.

Relocating the battery to the hatch puts more weight over the rear axle, which equals better traction. Every little bit helps. It also frees up some space under the hood, which helps to circulate air and cool things down.

I think a turbo timer is a necessity. Take your rex out on the highway at night. Get on boost a few times, rev out a few gears. Park the car, pop the hood, and peer in toward the front turbo. It'll be easy to see it because it'll be glowing like a hot coal. The timer lets the oil circulate and cool the turbo down. I tried the "sit in car and wait" method, and that's a load of horseshit . Time is money, and more often than not waiting is inconvenient. Spring for the 80 bucks and get one.

Keep the good ideas coming fellas; I want this thread in the archives to point all the newbies to...

Rich
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Old Oct 26, 2001 | 12:46 PM
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ok, the after sutdown fan mad is cool, I personally wouldn't sepnd the time(my temps never get over 98C), but nice feature. for some reason I thought you refered to the other one.

I never look at my gauges while getting on it anyway, unless I am tuning.

I woudl like to add one. THe best thing you can do to keep your RX7 running healthy is to read through this site. I cannot emphasize that enough, I am sure everyone agress with me. THere is a lot of bullshit but it is far out weighed by good content. As long as you rememebr that some of these mods are propagated by vendors trying to sell products, and that some of rob's robinettes reliability mods are idiotic. you will be fine.
Old Oct 26, 2001 | 01:25 PM
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[B]can anyone tell me where I can get a linear temp gauge that is a direct replacement for the stocker? thanks[/B/
There isn't one, but you can modify your existing gauge...

http://www.geocities.com/sdrx7_club/Instructions.pdf
Old Oct 26, 2001 | 05:30 PM
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Has anyone linearized their temp gauge? Does this work? Are there any linear temp gauges we can replace the stocker with? I'm tempted to just say **** it and get aftermarket gauges and install...tearing apart the gauge cluster isn't something that looks like fun
Old Oct 26, 2001 | 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by SanJoRX7
Has anyone linearized their temp gauge? Does this work? Are there any linear temp gauges we can replace the stocker with? I'm tempted to just say **** it and get aftermarket gauges and install...tearing apart the gauge cluster isn't something that looks like fun
If you get a Power FC, you can monitor your motor temps to the nearest degree Celcius

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What does AST stand for if you don't mind me asking....
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Air Seperation Tank. The stock one is (shoddily) made of plastic and can burst, leaving you with a big mess under the hood and the very likely chance of overheating if you're driving while this happens.

Some replace it with an aluminum model, available from several vendors in various configurations. Some apparently work better than others, ask around if you're looking for a replacement to get opinions on the various models available.

Some just get an '89 filler neck with a hose fitting just below the cap and simply eliminate the AST altogether by running overflow directly to the catch can in the passenger's side front fender.

Both solutions work, but the '89 filler neck is about $49 from Mazdatrix, and the aluminum AST can run over $100.

Many people have run the AST elmination mod for thousands of miles without a reported failure that I've heard of, but some people believe that you absolutely must keep the AST (extra weight!!) and that the aluminum version is the best solution.
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This thread should not be reliability mods, but fanatical reliablity mods. Come on guys, these things are not that fragile, granted some big changes were made in 1994, and i have not exeprinced a lot of the things owners of 1993s have, but still. I propose a new reliabilty mod list for the not fanatical owner that will have there car 2-5 years, and is in good shap when theyt get it.

1. follow maintenace schedule in owenrs manual

2. Fix somehign if it breaks & aquire gauges necesary for this.

3. drive the **** out of it, and buy a new one when it gets too ugly. and don't be afraid to run it through the car wash, chances are the apint looks like **** already!

BTW, when the gauge moves on stock temp gauge, it i sgoing to to 108C, which is point 108C switch comes on. so you basically have 2 readings the middle one, then last ditch effort at 108C, turn headlights on, and needle will never move.
Old Nov 2, 2001 | 10:48 PM
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( turn headlights on, and needle will never move.) What do you mean by this?
Old Nov 4, 2001 | 04:33 AM
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what size silicone hoses do i need and how much of each type thx...
Old Nov 4, 2001 | 01:46 PM
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PUMPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Hey pumped, where you from? Do you own a blue montego with greddy exhaust by any chance?

Lol,

One thing that no one has really mentioned here is something that I consider a VERY VERY important reliability item.

FUEL FILTER!! Replace fuel filter every year; the thing is the same one they use in the Mazda Miata btw, it's pretty puny. Keep filter clean!!

Also, when checking coolant levels, I just found out yesterday, that taking off the rad cap on and off too much, will eventually warp the rubber seals, and it'll begin to leak. I used to take off my rad cap all the time just to be meticulous in my maintenance, and ended up having to buy a new cap yesterday, albeit it only costs $10 or so.:p

When checking for coolant levels, top off AST, and filler neck, and overflow tank to middle. Then leave the caps on AFTER you've checked the levels and they're consistent, don't take the rad cap off every other day, and the aST cap never really needs to come off.

You can check levels by overflow tank, if it's empty, something is wrong, check the rad cap. IF it needs some more fluids, fill via overflow tank.
Old Nov 4, 2001 | 01:49 PM
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THE MOST MOST MOST IMPORTANT

AS FOR ECUs...Power FCs are good, and so will any M2, or Pettit ECU.

But the MOST IMPORTANT RELIABILITY MOD for anybody with a modded 7 pushing any kind of serious horsepower is to ENSURE PROPER AIR/FUEL RATIO, and no OVERHEATING!

You really should do dyno tuning with a wide lambda air/fuel if you're planning to run for anything above 315rwhp I'd say, to be safe.

Too rich is not good, and too lean is obviously boom.

Don't spend $1000s of dollars on all the go fast parts, and then cheap out on the $200 dyno tuning session w/wide lambda like *MOST* people have a tendency of doing!

And at the very least, an EGT guage should be there right beside your BOOST guage. Watch the needle, it should never go above 700-750C at WOT.
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