How in your opinions do the Z31 Turbo, the MKIII Turbo Supra, and TurboII stack up to one another?

What kind of times do TurboII's run in the 1/4?

 

I was looking at a MKIII, but it's a sled. The MKIII can be made inot a VERY fast car, but at the expense of handeling. No clue about a Z31. BTW what is a Z31?

 

Z31 is the older 300zx
It's a speed sled just like the supra...

 

Couldnt of said it better ....

The 300zx is worse Id say. Less power (in NA and Turbo), very heavy, digital dash, luxo interior..

Basically not very desirable

 

RX7- nimble light sports car.
300zx - quick GT car, can handle long sweepers decent
MK3 Supra - same as 300zx, but better for straight line

the RX7 is, in my opinion, the only "true" sports car out of the group. its focus on handling prowess is matched by its outright speed.

the 300zx is Nissans highway luxury car. it can be fast, but cant handle like an RX7. its too heavy and loaded with luxury stuff inside to be as responsive as an FC.

the mk3 Supra is a good car. toyota reliability in a powerful sports car. they are known for making big power numbers from their stout straight six. but like the 300zx they are on the heavy side. its too big, heavy and awkward to be a handling car.

all 3 cars are great and i wouldnt mind owning any one of them. but i wanted a handling car so i have an FC. but i have friends with Z cars and friends with Supras. for straight line racing on the street, all are pretty equal matches for each other. but the turns is where they separate. the 7 is the handler out of the group for sure. but 300zx can be fast, as well as Supras

 

I love how you people dog on these cars because theyre "heavy" and then say that they cant handle.

Just so you know, one of the heaviest cars out there ( a 3000GT VR4 ) regularly beats MANY lighter cars at out local autocross. Two of these cars are 2nd gen MR2's that also place very high themselves.

I guess what Im trying to say is that ANY car can be made to handle. Hell, take a look at how good the Camaros, Firedbirds, or Mustangs do at Auto-x.





I know this post is kinda spacey...and doesnt really flow...And Im sorry for that. Its early. Just trying to get the point across that just because somethings "heavy" DOESNT MEAN it cant handle.

EDIT: Some more food for thought; In many tests in 1993, the MKIV Supra ( which many call a sled or a dog ) outpreforms the FD in almost every single area tested.

 

just because the cars do god on a auto-x doesnt mean they have good handling..they have lots of power to more then make up for the lack of handling...of course aftermarket parts will make the heavy cars handle decent but outta the box the RX7 handles just as good as modified supra's etc...the lighter the car the better it handles pretty much...the more weight the change direction the slower it will corner

 

i didnt mean to say a Supra or a 300zx cant handle at all. i was saying that the RX7 is the better handling car. the 300 and Supra are both very capable cars. but ive seen modified versions get beaten on auto-x course by stick or close to it FCs. a friend of mines 84 300zx couldnt handle as well as another friends 87 T2 with origional 87 factory suspension.

 

what is the weight ratio on a second gen rx7? ie, 50:50?

 

What about a Festiva? Theyre pretty damn light.



How ******* stupid do you have to be to say that "just because they do good on an auto-x course doesnt mean they have good handling"

Have you ever been to an Auto-X? I seriously doubt it...Because if you had, youd know that the longest straights I ever see there are 100 feet at THE MOST.



Get a paypal account and Ill send you some money so you can buy yourself a ******* clue.

 

a car can be the best handing car ont he auto-x but the car might not win..wanna know why?? because it lacks power which those cars mention above have lots of...Wanna know some thing else?? not all auto-x courses car built the same and lots that i have seen have a nice strech where u can wind it out pretty good..

U get a light car and u get a heavy car and u put aftermarket suspension on them and the ligher car will handle better...look at the feaking miata at the auto-x its the car winning most of them...

 

yea its 50/50

 

Weight dist is ~50/50 for all RX-7s I believe...

As for the total weight thing, if two people do have the same size tires, same suspension, same chasis regidity, etc. weight will be the deciding factor. Thus to have the same cornering the guy with the heavier car must have spent more money on the other stuff.

Supra vs. FD thing, wasn't there a road course test where the FD kicked some serious *** of every car involved?

 

I have been to an autox and i have to say that i was very surprised to see firebirds, mustangs and camaro's in lower classes than my S4 N/A. But then when i thought about it even though they have all that bottom end torque they are also caring several hundred pounds of extra weight around the track. And i do know that's not counting the late model firebird and camaro SS, which are in the same stock class as the Turbo II, so don't get on my back about that. that just goes to show that they are getting better.

so the fact of the matter is that those cars aren't as prepared for autox as some other cars, it just doesn't lend itself to the sport as easily. and that's not to say that the car can't be made into a good autox car, in my area the best car out there is a '78 VW scirocco. it's the ugliest car you will ever see but it is the fastest thing on the track and has finished many events laying down the fastest track time of the day.

 

I think car choice is important, but I'm inclined to believe that driver skill is more so. I've seen Camaro's do things Auto-x'ing that I NEVER thought they could do. And then I've seen Miata's run the slowest lap time of the day. It comes down to the driver. Shoot... last time I was out a Ford Lightning was beating the pants off of alot of smaller, lighter and 'sportier' cars. Just my 2 cents.

 

The Supra is much more heavy than the Z as it has a back seat and is larger. Our (Z's and RX-7's) having no back seat, and 50:50 weight distrabution (or very close too) help to make them some of the best handling cars in the world. The traction is great in a Z31 as the car sits on the rear tires during hard acceleration.

I know many are heavy but not all. Dont let one models weight ruin the models who are much lighter. For instance, my 1984 NA started out at a palutry 2770lbs (unfortunatly the turbo model in 84 wieghed 2990lbs with 200hp) with 160hp. Now compare that to the the 2nd gen RX-7 NA and you have a very close race. Plus the Z makes much more touque. I know that help to close the weight differance.

As far as handling...My Z handles very well at any speed. It is very percise, and has absolutly no oversteer. The toe in makes you feel like anything is possible.

Please dont misconstrue what I am saying as my thinking the RX-7 and Z handle the same. I know the much lighter RX-7 has perfect weight distrabution and i fact handles better. If you look though the Z31 is only one tick off in the salom. I was speaking more about the drag racing potitials of the MKIII, TurboII, and Z31 turbo.

 

I had a Z31 turbo, what a dog! It also felt like driving a plastic car and turned like a truck, you could move the steering wheel back and forth 1 inch and the car didn't move at all.


Hands down I vote for the T2. Easy to make it a screeamer.


PS: aren't you the guy who is WORKING on a project Nissan? I seen you on another board posting stupid stuff, are you a troll with no life?