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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 09:57 PM
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Question Wideband O2 sensor

Where can I get a wideband O2 sensor and for about how much?
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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 10:30 PM
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the FJO system is around $700usd I think.

you can buy the DIY kits for a few hundred. but you'll be waiting months for the 02 sensor part is so back ordered. and I've never actully seen anyone finish one and have it working.....
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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 11:01 PM
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I have the Techedge V1.0 system. I built it back in December. Just about when the demand for the sensor was lighting up big time. Took me a while to source the sensor but I did get it.

I believe the best bang for you buck is to build a Techedge system. I built it my self and learned a great deal about it.

The end of project cost was about 315. That was the kit, sensor, supplies, welding costs, etc......

My kit and display are built and work great. I wish I never spent the money on that Haltuner deal. At least I sold it on Ebay and recouped some cost!

I got my sensor from the partsbin.com

The sensor for the Techedge kit comes from the 93-95 Honda Civic VX 3 door Calif model.
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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 11:03 PM
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And some random triva for ya....the RX-8 is equiped with a Wideband sensor...not sure what flavor though..
James
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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 05:17 PM
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A *real* UEGO wide-band sensor costs like $1,000.&nbsp The monitor to read the signal is usually another $1,000.&nbsp If the system doesn't cost close to $2,000, it's not a true UEGO wide-band.


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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 05:55 PM
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A *real* UEGO wide-band sensor costs like $1,000
Huh? UEGO = Universal Exhaust Gas Oxygen sensor. The NTK L1H1 is only about $150, giving you can find one right now.

If the system doesn't cost close to $2,000, it's not a true UEGO wide-band.
I couldn't disagree more.

I have a lot of respect for you Ted. I just don't understand where you're coming from.
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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 06:15 PM
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You need to do your research on the subject.&nbsp There's been a recent uproar on "cheap wide-band" systems and kits out there.&nbsp I will only trust a wide-band system made by MoTeC, Horiba, Autronic or similar.&nbsp Everything else is crap.&nbsp Sure, it's better than the 0-1V narrow band O2 sensors on most cars, but what exactly are you doing with these things?&nbsp If you're trying to fine-tune fuel, you could run into trouble running it to the ragged edge.&nbsp I don't usually tune my customers' cars to the ragged edge, and I trust an EGT gauge more.&nbsp A lot of the "mid priced" wide-band systems/kits are based on the NTK 0-5V sensors off the Honda lean-burn VTEC and the like.&nbsp The GReddy AFR (analog) gauge is supposedly using this NTK sensor.&nbsp Temperature compensation is a big problem with some of the cheaper stuff.


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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 06:30 PM
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Wow are you guys seriuos? Im getting my fuel controller soon and i was wondering about wideband o2 sensors to tune it properly but with prices like that ill just go to the dyno. What is a wideband o2 sensor i mean what does it look like and how do they work? Why are they so much money?
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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 06:38 PM
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Listen bud, I've done plenty of research and it pisses me off to no end for you to say that. Respect diminishing.

You made a point of the sensor itself being $1000 which is outright wrong.

Can you tell me what type of sensors MoTec, Horiba & Autronic use if not the L1H1 or LSU4?
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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 06:38 PM
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They are just like a regular O2 sensor in size and looks but they have more accuracy hence you can tune with them. They give you an A/F reading and you can either lean or richen the mixture out with them.
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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 06:42 PM
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http://www.autronic.com/sensors.html

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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 06:42 PM
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Here's some reading for anyone interested.

http://www.forparts.com/Bos02update2.htm

http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/

http://www.lambdaboy.com/wide.html

http://www.fjoinc.com/automotive/
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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 06:44 PM
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They are just like a regular O2 sensor in size and looks but they have more accuracy hence you can tune with them. They give you an A/F reading and you can either lean or richen the mixture out with them.
Cool, so do they have like a read out or display, and with somthing like that then you wouldent even need a fuel controller like the apexi right? Cuz you say they can tune the mixture. If thats the case then i can see how they would cost so much
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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 06:50 PM
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No you need something to tune the car. The sensor just give you a read out of the A/F ratio. that is where the S-AFC or AFR come in.
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Old Apr 9, 2003 | 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by HeffBoost
Listen bud, I've done plenty of research and it pisses me off to no end for you to say that. Respect diminishing.

You made a point of the sensor itself being $1000 which is outright wrong.

Can you tell me what type of sensors MoTec, Horiba & Autronic use if not the L1H1 or LSU4?
This is obviously going no where.&nbsp There are enough reference material out there on the web - you obviously can do a web search.



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Old Apr 16, 2003 | 07:31 PM
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Ok, I have never done this. But has ANYBODY compared an expensive wideband unit to something that comes in kit form.

That would help a lot. Everything is just opinon. Money doesnt mean everything on somethings. I believe a sideby side comparison would be in order.

James
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