nad1967

In the summer I bought an 87 gxl (109000), was great, faster than my other car. Truth is it's not that fast. I don't have a bunch of mods at all, just RB header, downpipe and pre silencer, but I would love to get some speed out of this guy. Am I going to need to do a T2 conversion? Just a rough estimate I thought would be around 2grand new parts and such. I'm new to rx's as of this summer but I think they are really great.

I had mine for 3 days and some lady totalled it. I got all of my money back (which is now gone). and I fixed al of the damage myself, so it's got some value to me.

Here's my Question I was really wandering if I should try to muscle a few hp's by putting a better intake, cat back, and other stuff like that on, or if I should try to concentrate on a t2 which would be better than all of those modifications combined and then I could put those kinda stuff on.

Also, from what I've been told is that Turbos are not near as realible as n/a's, is it smoke up my butt?

Thanks guys, this forum has been a wealth of knowledge to me as I'm trying to fix a beater into a banger!

Daw Tse

IMO, save yourself some trouble (and dough) and get a T2 instead. Seriously, it's not worth doing the conversion unless u have a vert. Just my 2 cents...

ItsNiceToBurnRice

Turbo's arent reliable, the turbo makes a motor run 40% harder. A N/A will run far longer than any turbo and have less break downs if you take care of them. And damn dude, the N/A isnt that slow, with the money you would blow on a nice conversion to TII, just buy a supercharger for the N/A and be up to your neck with 350HP

TonyTurboII

Um what makes you think turocharger boost and supercharger boost are different? Both will blow a seal.

ItsNiceToBurnRice

Supercharger is better so if youre gonna spend the cash, think super

Dane

You want a fast car...buy one. Keep your RX7 for fun, save your money and get something that is actually fast in the first place. Heck, for the $2000 you are looking to spend in mods, you could get a nice older MX6/Probe turbo that run high 6's 0-60 totally stock, and will get nearly 100mph in the 1/4 with a simple boost controller/exhaust/intake setup. I know this isn't exactly something that will kill 300zx turbos and Supras, but it will literally blow away an N/A RX7.

von

Trust me... stick with N/A. The mods for turbos go forever and u will **** up ur engine if u dont know what your doing.. Wich means u will need to take it to profesional just to do simple things. In the end a N/A will be cheaper to make quick... Thiers this guy on here named mazdaspeed7 who spent around a grand in mods many of wich he did himself and can run low 14s and has a top speed of about 150. All u need to do is some more mods and work on interior and soundsystem. Get some nice rims to. Im geting t11 rims powdercoated. U will have a fast nice looking car that u will be proud of. Now if u want to hit 13s then get a turbo11 but still ur lookin at full intake and exaust fuel cut fmic and some boost control thingy. U will end up losing money with a turbo i betcha.

ItsNiceToBurnRice

**** yeah

Felix Wankel

Yeah, stick with an NA if you want a loud, obnoxious, slow car that just makes noise and doesn't go. I've been there before. Never again. See ya at the end of the 1/4

ItsNiceToBurnRice

Yeah, or fo turbo if you want a fast but not super fast, expensive, time consuming, unreliable, touchy car

Felix Wankel

I'd much rather run 12s and have a nice sounding car, than 15's and sound like a cracked out chainsaw My GXL was modded to **** and back. All that and my modded FB would spank its *** hardcore.

My old TII had 155k, this one has 148k

ItsNiceToBurnRice

Yeah and Id love to have a Ferrari if I could afford to pay for gas and to fix it if it broke. Wait! that sounds like a turbo. haha, just ****** with yeah, Id go turbo if I could in a heartbeat

supergoat

I love my little N/A RX-7. It's a beast. It has never left me stranded. Infact it is in great shape. The only thing to ever go wrong really was a clogged CAT. It's fixed now. From about 2500PM till 7100RPM the car just pulls and pulls with a nice kick in the backside. Ofcourse, it's not Turbo fast, but it holds it's own.

It even went across the country back in August. 5 days of 8-11hr long shifts or driving without a single complaint except a quart of oil half way through the trip but that's normal for these cars.

I love the little guy.

cymfc3s

Im waiting for Rarest to jump in here. I had an N/A for awhile. Didnt quite quench my thirst for raw horsepower, but it was really reliable. That thing didnt cost me anywhere near what ive paid out for my TII. You can make an N/A rx7 a good strong, reliable car that do 14's in the quarter and tear it up around the race track. You can beat the daylights out of N/A and it will beg for more.

Node

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ItsNiceToBurnRice: you're an idiot

jarrod

you could always spray a little NOS with some other minor
mods who knows maybe take a tII out in 1/4

jimmyv13

How can you have these mods on your car?

FPrep2ndGenRX7

If your not happy with your cars performance after the header and presilencer I would suggest getting a compression test to verify its on par internally. If that checks out OK it might be time for a serious tune up including getting the injectors cleaned professioanlly. I would expect about 170-175 HP at the e-shaft if everything is working good. If you still want more then you will probably need a ported engine and some aftermarket engine controller or goto the TII at that point. I would suggest staying with the N/A setup and make it the best it can be. Properly working they are great cars. Remember your car is already 13-14 years old and probably needs some work to get it back to were it once was.

No7Yet

HAHAHAHA!!!

Node, that's the most intelligent thing I've ever heard you say.

(Note - that's not a flame to you, Node. When you're wrong, you admit it, and learn from it. I respect that. Ya just need to xref your posts :p )

More on-topic:

I bought a TII four weeks ago. Yeah, it's got "issues" (none of which are engine related). Would I EVER trade it for a good-running N/A? HELL NO!!! Fact is, it dyno'd 175 RWHP on Saturday. DEAD STOCK. Yeah, sure you can make an N/A put down that much power. But here's a number an N/A will never match: 168ft-lbs of torque. DEAD STOCK.

N/As are fun, and they're light, and tossable, but weight is their only advantage. The turbo control system on (2)s is really pretty simple - the engine bay's just packed. And let's face it, N/A engines only get peakier and peakier (and LOUDER) the more power they make.

In the end, it's up to you, but I'll never rid myself of my TII.

Brandon

Samps

They don't sell convertibles with turbos in the U.S.

I would rather have a NA vert than any other 7

If it aint a drop top, I aint driving it.

Putting the roof down is all the BOOST I need

von

Hey felix wankel... ur talkin about your slow n/a. Thiers lots of n/a here that do 14s weather thier high or low. turbos only do 15. stock or slightly better with good driver. For 3000 dollers i bet i can make an n/a as fast as a turbo with 3000 put into it. Its basically a maxed out n/a with a partially done turbo. Take mazdaspeeds car wich he spent a gran. Then street port it for another grand. Then put in a used stand alone and remove the maf. Get a S-AFC. Now ur looking at mid 13s. Spend a few hundred on nos and ur at mid 12s with reliability.. No just put on a turbo11 hood and your set. Nowone will tell the difference. I dont think n/a are slow. 14s beat most riced cars out thier. So when im beating integra type rs and most probe gt turbos and hangin with mustang gts and third gens then tell me im slow again.

Roy James

14s are quick, ill admit that. But, you dudes saying that an N/A is better than a turbo are just short of insane, period. sure, you can slap "nos" on an N/A, but, so can you on a turbo. The turbo may not be as reliable as the N/A, but someone smart enough to go turbo first time around, should be smart enough to work out the little "problems" they have. All sevens are great, just the turbo has the edge, bottom line. I myself has a GTU, and im starting to get a little pissed about the whole non turbo deal, dont worry, its sold as soon as i get it a little quicker and familiar myself with the rotories in general. anyways, ill quit bitchin and try to get my damn ports to work (hhmm, look right there, a problem the turbos will never have, port activation )

supergoat

There is no sexier sound than a spooling turbo. Period. My perfect car would probably be a 00 Miata with a Flyin' Miata Turbo kit. 250+HP to the wheels in a 2400lbs. car.

Node

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how about a datsun w/ a streetported 13BT ;-)

AcmeSkater

Real intellegent...... I would rather have a turbo boosting over 20psi then a blower boosting over 20psi. A turbo is so much better because it does not rob hp to make hp and putting a blower on it would still be boosting so it could do the same amount of damage plus its not possable to run the same boost in a turbo as a blower car b/c of the blower being run by a belt. I have an '87 GXL N/A and as soon as I get $3000 im going to a JSPEC either single or twin turbo motor.