Omixeo

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Agreed. I know everything that is on my car, what has and has not been done or fixed. So if something happens, I'll know why and what to do.

No they aren't. They make the car lighter and give it a lower center of gravity. It also makes the chassis more rigid.

Those two reasons alone are why I'm doing a TII conversion to my GTUs. From the motor all the way to the rear-end.

KompressorLOgic

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i think it all depends on the situation, u could easily spend a few 1000 more on a t2 just to have it blow up as fast as a jdm motor....

ive seen swaps done for dirt cheap, and ive personally boguth a running t2 for 700, and one with a rebuild mtoro needing a couple hrs of work, to run right for 1000....

but it all comes down to situations and availibility

Frostycrowd

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Simple. Cheaper insurance, and believe it or not a GXL has a higher KBB value then same year and mileage as a TII when I checked a few months ago.

millertime6009

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When I was looking for a new car the only two 7's within 250 miles of me below 8k were both n/a. Mine was priced at $3500 and i talked em down to $2900. It would cost $3400 for a complete tII swap with labor. Im just gonna wait for it to blow get it rebuilt, ported, and leaned out. Then once I recover from that financial burden I might throw a 100 shot of nitrous on there. Havnt really made up my mind.

Aaron Cake

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In my case, I was not specifically looking for an RX-7 when I bought mine. I was looking for 300ZXs and after not finding a single one for under $10K that was not rusted to hell, I saw an ad for an RX-7 and figured "Why not?". I was always a bit interested in the RX-7s and when I saw my car, the price was reasonable and it was a good car. Slightly rough in a few areas but mechanically sound. Glad I made that decision too, because the 300ZX is a bit of a dead end and not nearly the car a 2nd gen RX-7 is.

So I put on an exhaust, intake, did a few other minor mods and was then presented with an issue. Do I pull the engine apart, port it, and be lucky to hit 200HP? Or do I turbocharger the car for an easy 250 HP+? Note that I'm not talking about a TII swap here. So for under $2000 or so I put the stock TII turbo on to my NA using an exhaust spacer, S-AFC, larger injectors, etc. Had a lot of fun for about 10,000 KM. At that point I new the car needed a clutch so I tore it apart for a much larger project. Porting, big turbo, standalone, etc.

None of this involved doing a "turbo swap" and little of it was motivated by money (in the beginning I applied a bit of a budget but quickly said "Screw that").

Ultimately I built everything required and now have a very unique, reliable and powerful car that isn't just another TII or TII swap.

The way I see it, to buy a TII I'd be spending $5K to remove the fun of building the car. And emotionally, my '86 FC is my first car. There's a certain attachment.

"Built not bought" is the perfect statement.

That would be insurance fraud.

KhanArtisT

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As far as the swap vs. 6PT I think people are afraid to do research and would rather spend more money and buy the engine...then spend money on injectors, FCD/RTEK etc. and possibly a rebuild if its a Jspec to be able to run high boost...all to make LESS power and have LESS response than a 6PT. My reasoning is why the hell would you swap the engine when you can just swap the manifolds?

Last I checked an S5 TII LONGBLOCK from the only reputable Jspec engine seller on this forum was $1300+shipping. Then you buy the manifolds, turbo, etc., as in the SAME thing you'd do for a 6PT.

Frostycrowd

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So you tell your insurance everything done to your car?

Aaron Cake

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Yep. I'm a very honest person.

DRBragg

-insurance is a little cheap if they think its NA
-doing the swap is ******* awesome
-beating the **** out of the 16 year old whose mommy and daddy bought them a brand new SRT-4 with a car you build with your hands is god damn pricless!

DRBragg

not really if you crash it they will pay you for an NA rather then a turbo they dont care about the work done if you dont mind not getting reimbursed for it all if you crash it at least thats how USAA feels (God bless being in the Army lol)

a-cups847

cause your turbo vert made just about every guy on here cream themselves.

in the end its all about a good power and looks ratio. i dont care of the cost, im going to have a black vert with a TII swap.

Napsterfreak15

I pay like $27 a month lol


I didn't know converting an na to Turbo was so involved. Your almost better off getting a clip and converting it to RHD as well.?.?

Josh13B

We're all on the same team here guys. NA and Turbo are completely different but everyone loves a well looked after rotary.

I'm staying NA.

solareon

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i don't know what whack insurance policy you are on but my 87 T2 costs less to insure full coverage versus my 90 GXL with full coverage.

I pay like 90 bucks a month for the two of them.

xeccentric

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I dunno. Personally I like to do swaps and work on rx7s. Currently for my last na to turbo swap i paid 400 for a doner shell complete with t2 drivetrain, paid 1400 for a complete longblock. so it would have cost me 1800, BUT I received minor damage to my fenders after getting sandwhiched between a chrysler 300 and a forester. The laidies insurance paid me 2k. I also popped out the minor dings myself. So basically I got paid 200 bucks to own a turbo swap. =D The only thing I have to pay for now is a rebuild. Pesky jdm engines.

Aaron Cake

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Here's the thing; misrepresenting the vehicle you are insuring is most certainly insurance fraud in almost every area, and could very well result in your coverage being cancelled in the event of a claim.

I'm not talking about money to repair the car here, I'm talking about medical benefits. Lets say you plow into a Civic containing a family of 4. You end up with a broken back, everyone in the Civic has whiplash except for the 5 year old daughter who is now dead.

Normally your liability insurance would cover this (and you better hope you have $1,000,000 at least in coverage). So the insurance adjuster heads out to examine your wreck while you observe from your wheelchair as you are home from work and will have no income for some time besides what your policy provides. The adjuster takes a look at the car and says:

"Hmmm...This isn't right. We have you put down for an '87 RX-7 GXL, this is clearly a Turbo II. This isn't the vehicle we've insured you for. What gives?".

You reply: "I did a swap."

He replies: "Interesting. And why were we not informed?"

You stammer.

He then adds "This is not the same car as entered into your policy. Claim DENIED."

And now you have a broken back, no income, no insurance coverage, possible criminal charges. You've only ruined your own life, right? Now you receive a subpoena saying the family is suing you for damages and the death of their daughter.

Your life is now ruined forever. You will never afford the medical bills to take care of your back, you're now in a multi-year court battle, no income to pay the bills (including that lawyer).

You will likely never see income again and will be lucky to afford to live in community housing. And all to say $30 a month on insurance?

rotarygod

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I've had both turbos and nonturbos and done conversions. I'm actually about to buy an S5 n/a. Why? It's an S5 and it's never been modified by anyone! That doesn't mean that I necessarily am wild about spending money on it, it just means I don't trust other people when it comes to working on these cars. I don't want one that's had emissions, a/c, and p/s removed. I don't want one where someone has done random work but didn't know why. I can't find a TII like this. It's also likely that if the car has been ragged on that the n/a will be the better off car as a result. Boost is just too tempting to turn up.

My first RX-7 was an '88 SE. I did the full TII drivetrain swap and brake conversion. It may have been more expensive and difficult than buying a TII but I learned alot back then so to me it wasn't a waste of time. I finally built an engine and then added a turbo but it didn't take long until I want more still. I took the car apart with the intention of doing a V-mount and a host of other things. That car never went back together again. After a couple of years of sitting there, I parted it out.

My first gen has gotten to be much the same but I am vowing to actually put it back together. The turbo idea is no more on that car either. Now the goal is an n/a Renesis.

I'm buying a new n/a also because I just missing driving them. I'm past the point of wanting to work on them all day. I miss having a nice handling car that I could autocross or take to other track events. It's not acceleration that I miss, it's driving. If I ever add forced induction to this car, I'll do it differently. I'm make sure everything else is basically stock and find a way to make it appear as a bolt on kit. I already have a turbo and intercooler and am an engineer with an office overlooking a large fabrication and machine shop so it would only be a matter of time and not money. I doubt I'll do it though. I'm not even going to replace the intake or ecu like I've always preached. Leaving it alone to drive.

jinxed4dub

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So Its not like if u wreck it the insurance is actually going to give you what its worth to you. and They try not to give you money at all. I've got some insurance storys. Insurance is highway robery! at least I'm carrying ******* insurance. My girlfriend wrecked her car into a jersey boarder (freeway wall) in the snow. it fucked up tranny and blew the whole engine. and insurance didn't pay. we had full coverage that we've been paying 270 dollars a month for over a year. and they wouldn't pay. a used engine tranny could be found for about 700 apiece. and just some minor body work I could of done myself.
And I had alot of proformance mods to my last car, and when I did an insurance clame they didn't say anything about listing modifications. I don't think it matters much, plus I've never been asked if the car was stock or not. I beleave they go by the vin number for insurance rates.

Insurance is consumer fraud!!!!! Note: more so if you have allstate.

nvrdone

Ding we have a winner. O, and find a tii in north dakota for me, please, anyone? I thought so. The cars you find here are 1. POS, 2. grandmas car, or 3. f'd up ricer who nows everything about everything. I still can't believe I found my 7 in the condition I did. Absolutely ZERO rust and bone stock.

Aaron Cake

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Your girlfriend sounds like one of those reasons insurance costs are so high.

I guess you missed my more detailed reply as to why it was insurance fraud? Scrolling down is hard sometimes...
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showpo...3&postcount=66

jinxed4dub

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No I read that post. Well I guess i can say don't drive like a ******* tard, and you wont slam into civics with children inside. Driving is a privlege not a right. and needless to say insurance companys are crooks. thats all I was getting at. But I don't even have a turbo. I just was reading this thread and saw a completly off topic post. that was just a load of crap. Its not insurance fraud to have a suped up car. vin says its a gsl its a gsl. I'm not trying to get into a computer fight. I just have a stong oppinion of how insurance companys work. and btw arn't most women why our insurance is so high??? jk.

back onto the original subject.
buying a turbo'd car your probley gunna rebuild before too long. and building gives u a sence of accomplishment

gxl87turbo

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Its all about pride..........


My car went from this............




To this.....................



Its not about what the car is, its about what you want out of the car.

Aaron Cake

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This isn't a "computer fight", it's a discussion. Since someone mentioned that insurance was one of the major reasons to do a TII swap, I think it's fairly on topic as well.

I totally agree that most women are the reason why insurance rates are so high. I have always driven in a conscientious manner yet during my late teens and early twenties, was hit 7 times by women. None were my fault and all were unavoidable on my part. The sad thing is that it put me in the typical "young males suck at driving" bracket by default, even though I am and always have been a very safe driver.

However I do not agree that insurance companies are crooks. They are business like anything else, and must turn a profit for their shareholders. Their rates are high to cover losses. From women drivers (who have to pay less then males even though my experience says they suck more greatly), from spurious claims, and due to fraud. And fraud is exactly what driving a different car then the one you are insured for is. I have had no issues with my insurance company because I play by the rules and don't try to screw them.

In most areas, it is actually quite illegal to modify your vehicle. It has just been grandfathered in for so long that no one cares unless something stupid happens. Read your insurance agreement that you signed. I'm willing to be that is says if the vehicle is modified, the policy is void.

Also keep in mind that it does not have to be your fault when slamming into that Civic full of kids. It could be completely their fault, and they can still sue. It's a screwed up system, I know, but civil suites can be filed for any reason. Even when you win, depending on how the courts are in your area, you could still be stuck with lawyer fees, lost wages, etc.

It also depends on your area how much these fines can be worth. In Ontario Canada, it is a $5,000 fine to be driving without insurance. The insurance company then finds out that the vehicle is modified and raises your rates to the point where you can't pay anymore.

fd3spr0

Very well spoken Aaroncake... there is no reason to keep things from your insurance company unless you like the consequences mentioned above, all so you can save a few dollars a month on insurance.

sunburn

because I'm staying na.

LS1 na

TII parts are cheap and plentiful around here. ( I only needed the rear and hub/brake combo)

and I found one with 60,000 miles