totally rotary

really you cant drift a fwd... drifting involves a contorlled loss of traction (well kinda) in the rear wheels
handbreakyin (e-braking in yankland) means u hav no control of the dori8o ... therefore not drifting
thats why in a drift you must modulate throttle... continually breaking in and out of traction. u cant really do that with an e-brake... n00bs

NA86RULZ

I generally do not, but I have to admit that there has been times when I did "accidentally" . Being stupid as I am, I have spun the car twice on the street, but I wouldn't count that as drifting, because I wasn't in control. (One time was in the rain, the other was on sand).

Multiplex

tr, drifting FWD is just a different technique and only used in rallying as far as I know. It is not as controllable as RWD drifting and very far from its coolness.

Handbrake, just like with RWD drifting is just a crued way to initiate the drift, with RWD you then use throttle and steering to maintain the drift, with FWD you can't use the e-brake like you said to do the same with the rear wheels as you do with throttle in an RWD car. Instead you just keep the e-brake on and you use throttle and steering on the front to keep the back comming round, Bassically, keep full throttle and point where you wanne go, the rest will happen by itself, just release the ebrake in time.

The ballance of your car will determine how well you can use this technique though. I've done this on an introductionary rally course a while back with some vauxhauls/opels but I doubt my heavilly understeering Ibiza could do it as good... I haven't tried it out yet...

The other technique I know of, but have never used myself, is left foot braking. When braking with your left foot and applying throttle with your right foot your front wheels get power from the engines cancelling out the braking effect (but wearing out your brake pads) but you're rear wheels only get the braking and thus lockup and loose grip. You can controll the grip loss and gain on the rear wheels with your left foot giving you full controll over the drift. Very difficult though I have heard. I have not tried it yet, first wanne get left foot braking under controll before I start doing corners.

The last method i know of and have tried but only mildly successfully is driving into a corner, turning into the corner understeered (don't try this at high speeds folks!), releasing the throttle fully for a second or two (any more and you'll spin) causing all the weight to go forward, grip is gained on the front wheels while grip is lost on the rear wheels, apply throttle and the car just turns on a dime (do this at to fast speeds and you'll loose complete contoll of the car so be carefull). It's great for 90 degree low speed turns and alot of fun around roundabouts, but there is very very very little controll, you can't sustain the drift, and if it goes wrong, it can really go wrong. Actually this is something to experience once or twice. This effect is the #1 FWD car killer. You're driving out in the rain in your nice FWD car, turn a corner, car oversteers and you're heading to the guardrail, an inexperienced driver will just cut the throttle and if really stupid apply brake, result, car just spins out of controll towards the guardrail. Moderns day really oversteerd FWD wont do this, they just keep going straight ahead, but take a CRX, clio, 205 or cuore and you're pretty sure to do a couple of 360 before totalling the car.

The bottom line is, you can drift a FWD, you just have much less options, its much more difficult to hold the drift (if not impossible), and it really only is good for rallying on loose surfaces. Stick to RWD if you're out to have loads of fun and want to get good techniques. FWD sucks ***, but I happen to have one so I try to have fun in it from time to time

Center of The Universe

For the record, it all comes down to how one defines 'drifting.'

Multiplex

cotu, can't agree with you more For some drifting can only be called drifting if its with an RWD. These techniques with an FWD or 4WD, they just don't count

Drifting for me is simply turning a car around a corner in a controlled manner with more then 2 wheels that do not have grip The drive train simply allows for more or less control, more or less fun, and different techniques that are needed.

But I am probably oversimplifying my definition. I also know people who don't call a drift a drift unless you go through the corner full opposite lock which offcourse with an FWD would be suicide

anobii

anobii

oops,

sXeVegan

I try in my vert. Well, right now Im learning how to powerslide. I don't use the ebrake. For some reason i see that as cheating or something. I try to do it with weight but I really don't have a good place in OKC to practice

neevosh

Don't be ashamed to use the ebrake. It's the best way to initiate a drift when you're first learning. Most people I see trying to drift are just powersliding or understeering.

FC-chan

I accidently got my FC sideways with my grandma in the passenger seat...does that count?

dorifc3s

hahha howd ur granny react?

dorifc3s

Oh BTW, i do drift my FC, hence my names Dori FC. but i drifted 240s before i got the RX-7

DarkAngelKamui

I will be, as soon as I finish my first stage of mods.... I hate to ask this, but what kinda set-up would best be used for a TII?

dreamnshadow

what's wrong with drifting without PS? trueno's drift and dont have PS. lighter car tho, but still.

neevosh

Drifting without PS on an FC sucks IMO. The steering is too slow and heavy and very hard to hold the wheel. It's especially noticable in tighter turns and transitions. I started drifting with a manual rack and didn't like it at all. I put my PS rack and pump back and I totally improved. I was much smoother and didn't need a death grip on the steering wheel to control the car.

dreamnshadow

maybe some people have to get used to it. for me, i dont know how to drift, and i jus started driving my FC, i'm more into grip in a race, drift jus seems like an exhibition sport. i use the manual rack for grip, ps is too light.

z4csl428

i really am suprised at all the non drifters, im not talkin crap or anything but i drift my 7 everyday, its probably my favorite thing to do in my fc... REAR WHEEL DRIVE!!!!

bballinmc85

Just the power over right now...it's a start!

bballinmc85

you don't need power steering, in fact, I've heard that it can actually be better lacking ps, in terms of the sensitivity during countersteer. Also, shifting the weight is a good technique because it is easier to get the rear sliding, but yeah, if you haven't really started the advanced techniques, like myself, then better take it slow and get used to the lack of ps.

domesttuner

i like the power over myself, easier to do, and less shock to the tranny/drivetrain. maybe it's just my tires

superstock2

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for all you guys who want to learn i reccomend getting bmi's drift bible. very tight

SiNFuL

I used to attempt high-speed drifts with my 240 'till I rolled it...now I got an FC but its down for a bit...hopefully I'll get good w/ it...(The LSD helps ***-out the car...major improvement from my Open LSD on the 240).
-Galen

neevosh

That's not drifting.

mali_FC

I drift... it's fun when there's noone at the opposite lane..

It's very easy to drift on the 280z and FC's...

flubyux2

drifting is the figure skating of the automotive world.

we're all figure skaters.

down here, everyone and their brother drifts 240s and arent partial to the FC at all because they feel it doesnt have enough torque. infact, the local speed shop, Secret Services caters and specializes in 240s.

Power over is a drift technique... the redneck term is "Power slide".