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Old 05-25-09, 09:01 PM
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where do these hoses go?

three hoses behind the throttle body.
where do they go?
i hope they are supposed to be connected to something.
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Old 05-25-09, 09:10 PM
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im not familiar with NA, but look for some nipples on the side of teh TB
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Originally Posted by Hypertek
im not familiar with NA, but look for some nipples on the side of teh TB
i looked around and wasn't able to find anywhere that they could go or reach.
i didn't look for long though because it started raining on me.
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i will go check mine.. i have an n/a
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Your thermowax is missing. Is your car an auto? 2 of those go to the thermowax unit an a manual.
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check those out.. dont know if it helps...
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Originally Posted by dtale15
check those out.. dont know if it helps...
yeah that does help.
it seems like something is missing.
i'll have to look more into it.
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ok.. sorry i couldnt help any further
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Originally Posted by jjwalker
Your thermowax is missing. Is your car an auto? 2 of those go to the thermowax unit an a manual.
my thermowax IS missing.
damn.
any ideas on where to get one?
i'm gonna start looking but can never have too many resources.
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Slight correction; your thermovalve is missing, but the thermowax is still there. It's the metal part with the coolant line coming out of it. The plastic thermovalve just screws into the body of the thermowax housing.

Check if you have the outer set of secondary throttle plates before you do anything else. If someone removed the thermovalve, it may be because there were no plates & it had no use. The valve is only used to operate the double throttle diaphram.

If you have the plates, and want the system back, then buy a TB off of ebay or the classified section. You can scavenge the thermovalve off of it. But in the meantime, cap off those hoses. At least one of them will be creating a vacuum leak.
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Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
Slight correction; your thermovalve is missing, but the thermowax is still there. It's the metal part with the coolant line coming out of it. The plastic thermovalve just screws into the body of the thermowax housing.

Check if you have the outer set of secondary throttle plates before you do anything else. If someone removed the thermovalve, it may be because there were no plates & it had no use. The valve is only used to operate the double throttle diaphram.

If you have the plates, and want the system back, then buy a TB off of ebay or the classified section. You can scavenge the thermovalve off of it. But in the meantime, cap off those hoses. At least one of them will be creating a vacuum leak.
thanks for the correction.
tb's and carbs always seem so complex to me, well our tbs.
so if i cap them for now you think i should see improvement in the problems i've been having with idle and such?

thanks again for all the help people.
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Originally Posted by Zanity
so if i cap them for now you think i should see improvement in the problems i've been having with idle and such?
Absolutely. Vacuum leaks will give you an unstable idle.
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Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
Absolutely. Vacuum leaks will give you an unstable idle.
kool, thanks.
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anything wrong with this picture?
i have one extra hose not sure where it goes.
and it seems like i'm missing some stuff.
help?

first and third pic are pre-thermovalve.
second is after and have extra hose.
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no?
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The double throttle diaphram you have looks like the kind off of an AT car. The thermovalve that went on ATs had 3 nipples, instead of the 2 on an MT. That extra hose goes to one of the sides on the diaphram, right?

If I'm right, you should be ok with one of the two lines to the diaphram hooked up. Which one, I'm not sure, but could test it by applying vacuum with a pump or the engine.

Edit: on second look, that looks like an S5 throttle body, as well. And where is your TPS? Someone has been mixing and matching parts.
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Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
The double throttle diaphram you have looks like the kind off of an AT car. The thermovalve that went on ATs had 3 nipples, instead of the 2 on an MT. That extra hose goes to one of the sides on the diaphram, right?

If I'm right, you should be ok with one of the two lines to the diaphram hooked up. Which one, I'm not sure, but could test it by applying vacuum with a pump or the engine.

Edit: on second look, that looks like an S5 throttle body, as well. And where is your TPS? Someone has been mixing and matching parts.
hm. i think that s5 theory might be right.
the throttle body i got on ebay was different.
and the one that guy posted earlier was the same.
i'm thinking i do have an s5 one.

too bad the s4 tb i got on ebay was damaged in shipping.
so took make the s5 one work what do i need?
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The series five throttle body has no place to attach the oil metering pumps control rod. Get a series four throttle body.
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Originally Posted by HAILERS
The series five throttle body has no place to attach the oil metering pumps control rod. Get a series four throttle body.
whats that?
where's that?
and i've only read about omp's for turbo models.
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Both the NA and the turbo have OMP (or MOP).
Series 4 cars are mechanically activated using a rod from the pump up to the throttle body.
Series 5 units are electrically controlled, hence, no rod.
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Driving the car without a functional OMP/MOP will eventually blow the engine, unless you premix. I have an extra S4 NA TB I call sell you. I'll send you a PM about it.
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Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
Driving the car without a functional OMP/MOP will eventually blow the engine, unless you premix. I have an extra S4 NA TB I call sell you. I'll send you a PM about it.
guess its a good thing i haven't been driving it.
might it be easier to remove the oil stuff and premix like some people do?

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If you have an OMP rod, it'll be as simple as reconnecting it to the S4 TB. If not, you'll have to find one for sale, or possibly buy a new one from a dealership.

You could also blockoff the OMP and premix, but it's kind of a pain in the ***. Some people don't mind it, but I got tired of it quickly when I was doing it. I ended up keeping the OMP on my next engine build.
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Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
If you have an OMP rod, it'll be as simple as reconnecting it to the S4 TB. If not, you'll have to find one for sale, or possibly buy a new one from a dealership.

You could also blockoff the OMP and premix, but it's kind of a pain in the ***. Some people don't mind it, but I got tired of it quickly when I was doing it. I ended up keeping the OMP on my next engine build.
yeah after thinking about it its not a good idea for me to do it.
i have the worst memory ever.
so i would for sure forget to premix.
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Originally Posted by HAILERS
The series five throttle body has no place to attach the oil metering pumps control rod. Get a series four throttle body.
mk, problem.
my omp connecting rod is connected.
so it still an s5 tb?
maybe a modded one made to fit?
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