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Old 09-22-06, 07:50 AM
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where are the 13b-rew guys?? people who've done the swap please come here!!!

guys please tell me your experiences!!

YES, I'VE SEARCHED
YES, I KNOW THE ISSUES!

... but please give me some advice on additional issues, besides engine mounts and stuff! do you run your REW with stock twins, who's running single? who did a streetport?

my TII, has gone to nirvana and broke one apex seal in his way...

but this is the time for a new winter project!!

thx for help
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most people dont do the stock twins, mainly cus the stock twins suck hard, donkey *****.
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Well in a crossmember behind the stock FC stock engine cradle.
Use the stock FD3S engine mounts.
Call it a day.

Control of the engine is very similar to the FC's 13BT's.
I'd stay away from the stock twins.
They are not very reliable.


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Originally Posted by RETed
Well in a crossmember behind the stock FC stock engine cradle.
Use the stock FD3S engine mounts.
Call it a day.

Control of the engine is very similar to the FC's 13BT's.
I'd stay away from the stock twins.
They are not very reliable.


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thought about this! the only problem i see is in the alignment of the engine, as there is no indication where exactly the engine has to sit (due to rubber mounts on the engine and gearbox), how high/low. how could i adjust it?

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Yeah, it's a question on how you want to mount the engine...
Cause, you're right - the stock 13BT is not mounted in the center of the transmission tunnel!
I can hear the gasps now...
Mazda mounting the engine slightly to the left to allow the exhaust to run down the same tunnel.
The car I worked on pushed the engine directly in the middle - easiest to measure - and we didn't have any problems with it running.

I guess you can mark the spot where your original 13B was sitting and then place it there, but I don't think a few mm ("inches" for us U.S. folks) off is going to make any difference.

Thanx for the kind words on the website!


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i saw one last week where they just drilled the holes in the center housing and put it in with stock fc mounts, it really looked too easy.

ted's method works well too
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A guy on the no pistons forum was or is making bolt in mounts for sale.
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Hopefully those mounts are sturdy enough, I've seen some pretty shady mounts made...
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
i saw one last week where they just drilled the holes in the center housing and put it in with stock fc mounts, it really looked too easy.
Don't forget the oil pans are different.


ted's method works well too
Actually, it's Paul's getto method.


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RETed: Yeah, it's a question on how you want to mount the engine...
Cause, you're right - the stock 13BT is not mounted in the center of the transmission tunnel!
I can hear the gasps now...
Mazda mounting the engine slightly to the left to allow the exhaust to run down the same tunnel.
The car I worked on pushed the engine directly in the middle - easiest to measure - and we didn't have any problems with it running.

I guess you can mark the spot where your original 13B was sitting and then place it there, but I don't think a few mm ("inches" for us U.S. folks) off is going to make any difference.

Thanx for the kind words on the website!


-Ted
That sounds reasonable! i'll try it by just bolting the empty housings and see what fits best!
you're right, the hinges of the driveshaft should be able to compensate this little deviation in alignment!

j9fd3s: i saw one last week where they just drilled the holes in the center housing and put it in with stock fc mounts, it really looked too easy.


ted's method works well too
yeah i heard of that method, but i'll have to take the tII oil pan and seal it in the front 'cause it's shorter than the rew's one. and by the way, what's going on with the left mount (driver side), is that one still in place with rew??

slo: A guy on the no pistons forum was or is making bolt in mounts for sale.
i'll check that!! thx

thanks guys, i appreciate your help!! any other comments??

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there are motor mounts already sold to put the 13bre and 13brew into an fc. http://www.banzairacing.net/
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Originally Posted by sn0wboader86
there are motor mounts already sold to put the 13bre and 13brew into an fc. http://www.banzairacing.net/
the 13B-RE is totaly diffrent from the 13B-REW that is no 13B-REW mount kit.
please dont post miss information.
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Originally Posted by RETed

Actually, it's Paul's getto method.


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the yellow car is gone, but he's still got the subframe
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Originally Posted by airworks-fc3s
yeah i heard of that method, but i'll have to take the tII oil pan and seal it in the front 'cause it's shorter than the rew's one. and by the way, what's going on with the left mount (driver side), is that one still in place with rew??

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didn't look too close, but it looks like it just bolts on
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ok so there are no aftermarket mounts available... i''l have to try to fabricate them myself... why not

is it possible to bolt the stock fan (stock pulley) to the front plate of the rew?
(please don't start a mech fan/electric fan discussion, just assume i'm veeery happy with the stock fans performance)

any other issuesi might consider??

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Originally Posted by airworks-fc3s
is it possible to bolt the stock fan (stock pulley) to the front plate of the rew?
Even if the FC pulley could bolt to the FD pump (no idea but I wouldn't count on it), it would place the fan in a different position compared to the FC and so require a custom fan shroud. You'd have to decide whether or not that's easier than using an e-fan.
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Originally Posted by airworks-fc3s
any other issuesi might consider??
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Custom fuel system, custom intercooler, custome intake, custome exhaust, custom cooling system, etc. etc.
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nzconvertible: Even if the FC pulley could bolt to the FD pump (no idea but I wouldn't count on it), it would place the fan in a different position compared to the FC and so require a custom fan shroud. You'd have to decide whether or not that's easier than using an e-fan.
that's possible! i'll try it!
by the way, nice turbo vert there! in europe the verts came only in turbo version, mine's a '91 s5 turbo vert!

aaroncake: Custom fuel system, custom intercooler, custome intake, custome exhaust, custom cooling system, etc. etc.
yeah, yeah... i know
but most of that i've already got
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aftermarket mounts http://www.motivefab.com/

stock harness and a PFC would be the best way to go IMO
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man thanks! that's great! a bit pricy though but great!!

by the way (excuse this newbish question) what's PFC??

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Apex PowerFC. Tuneable plug and play ECU that functions like the stock ECU.
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Apex PowerFC. Tuneable plug and play ECU that functions like the stock ECU.

okay, have some troubles with these abbreviations but i'll get used to it

the power fc would be a nice solution, thought about it... but:
don't flame me, i wanted to max out the stock twins, 'cause i like the low end response of them, don't think the PFC supports them, does it??
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Originally Posted by airworks-fc3s
by the way, nice turbo vert there! in europe the verts came only in turbo version, mine's a '91 s5 turbo vert!
Thanks! That's the way they all should've come.
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Originally Posted by NZConvertible
Thanks! That's the way they all should've come.

yeah, especially considering the increased weight of about 80 kilos compared to the coupé!

with the top down you can hear the enigne at it's best
can't wait until next summer!!

at the moment it's ... say not ready to ride...
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Roof down today for the first time since last summer!


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