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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 11:50 PM
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87 and with gas the way it is now I'm glad I can.
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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by homebrewer
The only way I can figure out this one is that your car's timing is advanced of the stock setting. But if that were the case, then you'd be detonating on 87 octane.

Consequently, I have to call baloney on your statement.

Another quick comment, its amazing how many people have accelerometers and dynamometers in stalled in their asses. The only valid way to test a power improving theory is to put it on a dyno and take a reading or take to to a 1/4 mile track.

There was another poster in another thread who stated he felt a 1 HP increase by doing something different with his car. I almost died of laughter.

Im not claiming any HP gains. i havnt track tested it. very little is done to my car. intake exauhst, removed PS and AC.

Im just saying that when i have a full tank of 87, i have a hard time scurt'ing 3rd(few and far inbetween). Now when i run a full tank of 91, i can almost consistantly scurt 3rd. I just got 12 gallons of 112 today for 18 dollars. I will run my tank damn near dry, and pour all of that in. Perhaps there will be less power or maybe more. i will just have to wait and see.

Im just sayen what i feel. maybe its in my head, sure.. but if it is, i think im gunna run higher octane all the time because my head is making me drive better somehow- if im able to peel out in 3rd more consistantly, and it feels faster.

Like another poster said it feels as though it revs up quicker, and smoother. id have to agree with him.
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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 01:54 AM
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Marshall Brain has the answers...

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question90.htm

The octane rating of gasoline tells you how much the fuel can be compressed before it spontaneously ignites. When gas ignites by compression rather than because of the spark from the spark plug, it causes knocking in the engine. Knocking can damage an engine, so it is not something you want to have happening. Lower-octane gas (like "regular" 87-octane gasoline) can handle the least amount of compression before igniting.

The compression ratio of your engine determines the octane rating of the gas you must use in the car... [meaning] ...a higher compression ratio and requires higher-octane fuel. [Taken a bit out of context... just read the whole article.]
Non-turbo rotaries have a relatively low compression ratio which means they can use lower octane with less risk of detenation. Think of the lower octane not as cheaper, but as more volitile... and the differences between "regular" and "premium" gas are some additives and corporate marketing.

HSW also mentions heptane and octane, which have 7 and 8 carbon atroms chained together respectively. Heptane is volitile while octane is rather stable. The octane rating is an artifical scale that gives a "what if" presuming you had x% octane and y% heptane. 87 octane gas would be like running 87% octane and 13% heptane.

(Source: Paraphrased from memory, from Modern Marvels: Gasoline)

Here's a link to wikipedia.org on the subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline

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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 02:59 AM
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Can a FC3C (1988) use flex fuel? (E85 ethanol) heavily marketed in the midwest.
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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7kid4ever
did you ever use race gas????
No, I don't use that ****, cause most of it is LEADED, and kills spark plugs and O2 sensors.


if so you would no it smells like candy yes or no???it is the same thing for 86 race gas!!!!!!!!that is what i was saying
To me, it does not smell like "candy" - yes, I do no[sic] what race gas smells like.

Sorry, I call your BULLSHIT on "86 race gas" unless you can show proof.
I think the place selling you this crap is bending you over pretty good.


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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
No, I don't use that ****, cause most of it is LEADED, and kills spark plugs and O2 sensors.



To me, it does not smell like "candy" - yes, I do no[sic] what race gas smells like.

Sorry, I call your BULLSHIT on "86 race gas" unless you can show proof.
I think the place selling you this crap is bending you over pretty good.


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lol...
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 10:39 AM
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**** all you fake rx7 owners you should be driving a chevy
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 12:14 PM
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 12:15 PM
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The NA was made to run 87 RON, which by linear approximation (can't find a formula) is about 83-84 AKI or R+M/2.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kontakt
The NA was made to run 87 RON
Where did u get that from?

Originally Posted by kontakt
which by linear approximation (can't find a formula) is about 83-84 AKI or R+M/2.
linear approximation... WTF? lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_approximation

Dood if u use big werds like that then someday someone who really knows what it means is gonna pwn u.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cardzrule
Where did u get that from?


linear approximation... WTF? lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_approximation

Dood if u use big werds like that then someday someone who really knows what it means is gonna pwn u.
At the very least linear approximation means an approximate value calculated from a best fit line from a plot of data in calculus terms. I took AP calculus my JR year of HS... I am someone who knows what the word means jackass.

Also I got that it's tuned for 87 RON from these boards.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kontakt
I am someone who knows what the word means jackass.
lol no you aint.

Teh forumla is R+M/2 and even I can work that and Im a jackass like u say, so whats that make u? rotfl

BTW I aint had AP nothin

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Also I got that it's tuned for 87 RON from these boards.
Link?

FYI thats not what teh manuel sez
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cardzrule
lol no you aint.

Teh forumla is R+M/2 and even I can work that and Im a jackass like u say, so whats that make u? rotfl

BTW I aint had AP nothin


Link?

FYI thats not what teh manuel sez
You are stupid. I didn't include my data points, granted... I based my linear approximation on Jaguar documentation that listed both RON and R+M/2 of various fuel grades. I then APPROXIMATED based on the LINEAR relationship between the two sets of numbers. This isn't completely accurate as the relationship is not completely linear, but it is close enough that it doesn't make a difference unless i was trying to figure out what the RON value of 2000000 R+M/2 would be. R+M/2 is NOT the formula I'm approximating, it is a formula used to get one of the sets of data points I'm using. By the way, I CAN work that formula, it's a freakin average.

I can't link something I read a long time ago, search. Does the manual specifically state 87 R+M/2? if not, it's a Japanese car... they use RON.

Do I need to make you a graph?

Edit: The reason there isn't a formula that I could find to convert between the two is that one is Research value, the other Research + Measured / 2. In order to convert, you would need M, but you knew that, right?

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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kontakt
Does the manual specifically state 87 R+M/2?
So if teh manuel does specifically state it does that mean ur the one who is stoopid? lol

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=42

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Do I need to make you a graph?
No thanks I dont need no graph to tell me what everybody knows cept 4 you lol
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 02:12 PM
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No, it means that whoever provided me with the information that it was tuned to 87 RON is stupid. It doesn't say anything about my calculus ability, which is up to par. And my knowledge of the term 'linear approximation' is also correct. Looks like the only thing that makes me stupid is that I occasionally repeat misinformation, which we're ALL guilty of.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cardzrule
So if teh manuel does specifically state it does that mean ur the one who is stoopid? lol

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=42


No thanks I dont need no graph to tell me what everybody knows cept 4 you lol
If you didn't speak like an incoheirent jackass, your arguments would seem a bit more competent.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bcool
If you didn't speak like an incoheirent jackass, your arguments would seem a bit more competent.
ur right but Id rather b dum then be a pozer who acts competent by using fancy werds and math forumlas

so ur sayin I would sound smarter if I called people a jackass or called people dumb like SOME people on this forum do? somehow that dont sound rite 2 me
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cardzrule
ur right but Id rather b dum then be a pozer who acts competent by using fancy werds and math forumlas

so ur sayin I would sound smarter if I called people a jackass or called people dumb like SOME people on this forum do? somehow that dont sound rite 2 me
No, really... since when is Linear Approximation a fancy word? I think everyone here knows what a line is... and maybe some people don't know what approximately means, but I hope they do.

And calling people stupid is different than calling them dumb?

I'm sorry that you're trying to make yourself feel better about how poor your math skills are by making derogatory comments about mine.

Edit: by the way... linear math is some of the easiest out there.
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