weapons r cold air intake
10-02-05, 05:25 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by Makenzie71
Proof? Intake tuning has almost no effect what so ever on the air side of the throttle body because there's a bunch of butterflies in there that get in the way. That's why intake plumbing before the throttlebody is always 3" or bigger with aftermarket intakes...there's a big *** restriction right in the way so they want the easiest flow possible.
Some companies offer only short rams intakes for some cars because they don't see much effect with CAI's...but that lack of change in effect has nothing to do with how long the tubing is or where it's routed.
Some companies offer only short rams intakes for some cars because they don't see much effect with CAI's...but that lack of change in effect has nothing to do with how long the tubing is or where it's routed.
10-02-05, 05:28 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by Makenzie71
Much colder and denser than the 180* air in the engine bay. Plus it's one hot ************ if the ambient temperature is 90*...there aren't many places in the states that see that kind of ambient air...there's aren't many civilized places that see that kind of ambient air...
Metal pipes are still INSIDE the engine bay and subject to ENGINE HEAT. I don't care if its 60 degress outside, once its sucked into a metal pipe thats 180 degrees and then sucked into a ******* turbocharger it makes about as much power as anything else.
10-02-05, 05:58 PM
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A buddy of mine that fly's B-52's said he did an excersize at the acadmey a while back with his car and to see any effects of the RAM Air Intake you would have to be going +150 MPH...I doubt most people do that in a race...unless they've got a good car!
10-02-05, 06:06 PM
#30
...94% correct.
Originally Posted by BinaryRotary
When you are WOT the butterflies have almost nil restriction. This has been discussed more times on more forums than you can count. Until you have PROOF that it DOESNT work, maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself, because thats all they are.
Originally Posted by BinaryRotary
Listen, I've lived in over 10 different states and 3 different countries, it gets 90 about everywhere.
Metal pipes are still INSIDE the engine bay and subject to ENGINE HEAT.
Originally Posted by BinaryRotary
Mak71, sorry for being a dick. I'm in a bad mood with this idle problem I got.
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10-02-05, 06:19 PM
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Actually, I would like to look over this last little bit. I don't disagree with the lot of it, but this, yeah kinda.
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Heat wrap...If it's 60* outside, and 180* on the inside, I'd say the air getting to my turbo would be around 100*. Which is still better than 180* from you're "ram air".
Metal pipes are still INSIDE the engine bay and subject to ENGINE HEAT. I don't care if its 60 degress outside, once its sucked into a metal pipe thats 180 degrees and then sucked into a ******* turbocharger it makes about as much power as anything else.
Heat wrap...If it's 60* outside, and 180* on the inside, I'd say the air getting to my turbo would be around 100*. Which is still better than 180* from you're "ram air".
10-02-05, 06:23 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by adrock3217
Actually, I would like to look over this last little bit. I don't disagree with the lot of it, but this, yeah kinda.
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Heat wrap...If it's 60* outside, and 180* on the inside, I'd say the air getting to my turbo would be around 100*. Which is still better than 180* from you're "ram air".
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Heat wrap...If it's 60* outside, and 180* on the inside, I'd say the air getting to my turbo would be around 100*. Which is still better than 180* from you're "ram air".
10-02-05, 06:27 PM
#33
...94% correct.
Originally Posted by BinaryRotary
Wrap a ram air. You'd get the same effect. All I'm sayng is that the 2 are fairly close when compared side by side and to shoot one down as 'rice' is just plain ignorance or stupidity.
And insulated CAI would have a slightly lower temp than a bare CAI.
10-02-05, 10:21 PM
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On the topic of Cold Air Intakes, does anyone know what happened to Checkpoint Engineering (www.checkpointmotors.net)? Their CAI was pricey ($250) but it looked to be the best in terms of quality that I have ever seen mass produced. I'd recommend it to anyone interested in a true CAI but their website no longer exists.
10-03-05, 12:36 AM
#39
Originally Posted by BinaryRotary
Wrap a ram air. You'd get the same effect. All I'm sayng is that the 2 are fairly close when compared side by side and to shoot one down as 'rice' is just plain ignorance or stupidity.
You're the one talking out of your ***, and I didn't insult you to begin with so don't be talking smack to me buster.
You've furnished no evidence to support air intake tuning forward of an AFM. There is NO tuning to speak of after the AFM all that's needed is the least restriction and the lowest intake temperature possible.
Residual cooling will take effect down the entire length of the intake tract using a true cool air intake(a.k.a. CAI) compared to a rice-boy short-ram intake which will do nothing nor does "weapon R" bring to the table any data independant or otherwise.
10-03-05, 12:55 AM
#41
...94% correct.
Originally Posted by Jager
Also, just to point out, you guys know that the STOCK intake is a cold-air intake, right?
10-03-05, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Brody8877
Tell that to japanese, most of them use an HKS Short RAM
Originally Posted by BinaryRotary
You're an idiot.
In some cases, the SR is preferred over the CAI due to inlet tract length tuning.
Some companies only offers SR's in some cases because there is no advantage to using the CAI.
When you are WOT the butterflies have almost nil restriction.
This has been discussed more times on more forums than you can count.
Until you have PROOF that it DOESNT work, maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself, because thats all they are.
Metal pipes are still INSIDE the engine bay and subject to ENGINE HEAT. I don't care if its 60 degress outside, once its sucked into a metal pipe thats 180 degrees and then sucked into a ******* turbocharger it makes about as much power as anything else.
Do you need numbers? How about the fact that the density of air heated from 70degF (an average ambient temp) to 110degF (an average engine bay temp by my measurements) drops by ~7%. This figure isn't a guess, it comees from a psychrometric chart (look it up). What do you think happens to performance if 7% of the oxygen and fuel is removed from the equation?
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10-03-05, 01:08 AM
#46
...94% correct.
Originally Posted by Jager
Because you don't get air stock from those locations that its covered with the box, it comes from under the hood into the box.
10-03-05, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jager
From outside? I have it and it does just fine tyvm.
Also it isolates the filter from the engine bay.
Also it isolates the filter from the engine bay.
10-03-05, 01:18 AM
#49
...94% correct.
Originally Posted by Jager
I don't really get you, how does it get into the stock air box? That's sealed off?
Once again I own it, and it works just fine.
