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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:13 PM
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Okay, progress day two! I know that some of you have some questions about the setup, and you are right, its not going to be a conventional setup. Once the project goes along, I think that everyone will see what it is we are doing.

Radiator cap area blocked off:



Relocating the oil cooler lines:



The area where the water goes out the rad:



Oil lines are done:



My Buddy Club wheels...



Hard piping for the coolant:



The wastegate being installed on the manifold:

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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:39 PM
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keep up the good work

keeping the t2 hood with RE vents?
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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it looks like your just doing a vmount, only turned around the other way.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 11:36 PM
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mig my ***
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 11:46 PM
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Damn... Just DAMN! Just bought a TII to go into my Vert... I guess I have a long way to go!
Cant wait to see how it turns out...

Rude Question... Cost???
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 02:23 AM
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Eleventybillion dollars.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 02:36 AM
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More time effort and money normal people would spend on a 20yr old car.

Looks real good man, i willl be keeping an eye on this thread.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 07:33 AM
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You gonna duct the WG back into the DP?

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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 09:13 AM
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Damn... Just DAMN! Just bought a TII to go into my Vert... I guess I have a long way to go!
Cant wait to see how it turns out...

Rude Question... Cost???

Well given the amount of materiel, plus a new intercooler, turbo, manifold, and wastegate, I would guess the project is well into the 3k range by now.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 09:14 AM
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You gonna duct the WG back into the DP?

James

Pffft! Hell no! Open wastegate baybee!!!!

And thanks all for the E-FAN suggestions!!! Keep em coming!
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 09:28 AM
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J-Rat, for my VMIC setup I used 2x Permacool 10'' Reversible Fans off of Summitracing.com. Together they flow ~2500cfm, and are thermostatically controlled. I think it was ~$200 for both fans, the thermostat, a relay and everything else. They work wonderfully.

Fans. 2.5'' thick. Fit just right.

Thermostat Kit

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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 09:28 AM
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you ever thought about a fierro gt fan? they have a shroud that covers almost the hole radiator and that thing, except the center where the motor is, can't be over 2" deap. Good work so far! I didn't know you where the type to keep the p/s I had to keep mine to, it sux parking and getting out of parking spots without it.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 10:07 AM
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No matter what you weld tig is the best weld. The welds holding the brackets down for the oil cooler looks very tight and pudled with low heat disapation. Looks more tig on my monitor then a gas mig. The top corner has a bit of browning posible sign of mig. If it was miged they are very good.
Ya know I don't want to get into a whole "thing" here, but "best" is relative. You can't beat TIG for lack of cleanup work, but it takes 10x as long to prep and make TIG welds the it does to MIG. And you'll spend 10x more in materials to do so when you factor in the cost of operating the machine. In addition, TIG is a poor choice unless you are in a controlled environment as wind and environmental factors effect TIG much more easily then MIG and you then end up with a TIG weld that's worse then MIG.

With practice, it's easy to make some very nice looking MIG welds if you are using gas. Flux core tends to splatter a lot more and leaves the flux residue.

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Well, the fan is a source of some speculation right now, because space is at a premium. I was looking at dual Spals which are very thin, but only clock in at a cumulative CFM of 1800. Or I can do a pusher/puller config with larger fans, but I dont want to block up the radiator for natural airflow. So any suggestions are greatly appreciated in this area.
The last V-mount that I had a (small) part in was on a 1st gen. I believe the fans were a set of junkyard fans from a VW of some kind. Perhaps a Scirocco? The car didn't have any cooling problems but truthfully was not really driven hard.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RyoFC3S
J-Rat, for my VMIC setup I used 2x Permacool 10'' Reversible Fans off of Summitracing.com. Together they flow ~2500cfm, and are thermostatically controlled. I think it was ~$200 for both fans, the thermostat, a relay and everything else. They work wonderfully.

Fans. 2.5'' thick. Fit just right.

Thermostat Kit

I like those! I wont need a thermostat kit though, I am going to have the Haltech trigger the relay. Thanks!
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Rat
I like those! I wont need a thermostat kit though, I am going to have the Haltech trigger the relay. Thanks!


hells yeah, i have my haltech controlling my relay for the fan.

what temps do you have set in the haltech for on/off ?
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jacobcartmill
hells yeah, i have my haltech controlling my relay for the fan.

what temps do you have set in the haltech for on/off ?
175F
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:40 AM
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My fans dont come on until about 198-202. 175 seems a bit low to me.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Rat
I like those! I wont need a thermostat kit though, I am going to have the Haltech trigger the relay. Thanks!
Here is the one I would use, but you might want to check TitanuimTT setup (since you are already fabricating and welding )

http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=48642
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Rat
My fans dont come on until about 198-202. 175 seems a bit low to me.
I don't want the efan to start cooling once the coolant has reached 190F; I had it start on couple of F before the stock thermostat opens.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 02:29 PM
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Nice.

So what happened the trust IC?
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 02:39 PM
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Now that is a laid down radiator,I think you are going to have a hard time getting enough airflow through it to be useful.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Digi7ech
Nice.

So what happened the trust IC?

Its for sale, I just havent gotten around to posting it up. Ya interested?!?

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Now that is a laid down radiator,I think you are going to have a hard time getting enough airflow through it to be useful.
Well, #1 its a K2RD rad, so its got ALOT more useful area then the Koyo. #2, once the ducting is in place I think you will see that it will work. However, untill its on the road and working, I think its fruitless to speculate.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 04:36 PM
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Its for sale, I just havent gotten around to posting it up. Ya interested?!?
Depends on how much and how soon you want to get rid of it.
I wouldn't have cash for at least a month.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
Ya know I don't want to get into a whole "thing" here, but "best" is relative. You can't beat TIG for lack of cleanup work, but it takes 10x as long to prep and make TIG welds the it does to MIG. And you'll spend 10x more in materials to do so when you factor in the cost of operating the machine. In addition, TIG is a poor choice unless you are in a controlled environment as wind and environmental factors effect TIG much more easily then MIG and you then end up with a TIG weld that's worse then MIG.

With practice, it's easy to make some very nice looking MIG welds if you are using gas. Flux core tends to splatter a lot more and leaves the flux residue.
TIG does cost much more to operate in electricity and rods. With post feed you eliminate most tendency’s to aerate or get a bad weld. Prep work is relative as well, touché on best weld anything is relative. One of the major factors in TIG is the ability to operate a much superior and cleaner 100% penetration where as it is harder to carry 100% penetration on a mig. As far as out doors I do not know anyone with 60A 220 on an extension cord.

Flux is messy but the weld is much hotter and can be substitute for gas to weld large thickness steal. A nice tight weld un aerated is near impossible without gas. Note for new welders do not flux thin metal on your car, you will clean up the splatter for ever and warp everything to hell.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 07:10 PM
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Now that is a laid down radiator,I think you are going to have a hard time getting enough airflow through it to be useful.
If it's ducted properly, it doesn't matter which way it is facing, whether it is laying down, or where it is located. You could place the radiator in the back of the car or had it lying down flat under the car if you ducted it properly. Not very practical but it can be done successfully.
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