SLOWT2

were should i send my turbo to get it upgraged to like a stage 2 or 3, websites phone numbers anything

Felix Wankel

http://www.lourdsmusic.com/bnrsupercars/index.htm

RETed

I recommend http://www.turbocharged.com/



-Ted

FEDREX

A local buddy of mine and I both just got ours done here - I am quite satisfied..
www.majesticturbo.com

RETed

I've never had any experiences with Bryan - thus I have no direct experience, good or bad, to mention.

I've had work done by http://www.turbocharged.com/ , and they do great work for the price.&nbsp Turbonetics is the industry standard when it comes to import high performance turbocharger jobs.&nbsp http://www.turbocharged.com/ does just as good (or better) work as Turbonetics but CHEAPER.

Does BNR do VSR and static balancing in-house?&nbsp I highly doubt it, cause a VSR balancing machine costs MILLIONS of dollars.&nbsp If BNR does have such a machine, I'm IMPRESSED!

I don't trust any turbo shop that does NOT offer static and dynamic turbo balancing.


-Ted

FEARED7

I balance and blue print 8 times better than factory spec. So don't doubt any of my balancing techniques. The only thing a VSR does is spins the turbo up with oil pressure to make sure someone didn't make any mistakes on the assemble job. lol. millions of dollars. haha. Just to tell you I balance the parts alone. My HTB compressor wheel is balanced by itself, and also my clipped turbine wheels are balanced by themselves. Then they are balanced as an assembly. If that tells you anything.... Quit downing hybrid turbos. Why don't you put one on your car reted? I hear that your turbo is stock as a rock.
Bryan

FEARED7

Hey and I also give a 1 year/ unlimited milage warranty!!!

Jerk_Racer

My friend in Japan recently installed a new full T04 (not sure what spec) on his 180SX from Turbonetics. It lasted one month before the seals went out on the turbine side. He had the thing tuned well, but the turbo gave out well before it's time. I know this guys sets stuff up right the first time so it's not like it was user error. He went with Turbonetics because that's what everybody suggests. I doubt he will again.

jerk_racer@hotmail.com

RETed

Oh, now I know your are full of ****...


Oh, now it's all going to turn into a personal attack on me?
I used to run around with a $900 RPM Motorsports "turbo upgrade" that the claimed could put down 400hp (bullshit).&nbsp I dyno'd 250 to the wheels with this little turbo - we spec'd the compressor wheel out to a measly T5/T6 compressor wheel (just one stupid up from an S-trim).

I got nothing against hybrids.&nbsp In fact, if you read my website, I endorse them wholeheartedly.&nbsp I have recommended hybrids to MANY people - some of them on this list.&nbsp I haven't attacked you personally with the exception of your rip-off TID replacement for $200+.&nbsp I find most of your prices on your website a bit expensive - I could easily charge 10% off your prices and still make a decent profit.

If you haven't read the thread about me not having a job for the past 12 months, that's why I can't afford to mod the FC anymore.&nbsp I have an XS manifold and 60-1 BB sitting in my friend's room which I'll inherit for free.&nbsp I don't have the money for the fuel or intercooler upgrades, so it sits there for the time being.

Since this is going to turn into a resume boast...how fast is your car?



-Ted

FEARED7

Reted,
I am not full of ****. haha. I balance everything. I have a special mounting tool for a compressor wheel. I stick the compressor wheel on that shaft and then balance it by itself by taking the vibrations out. I also mount the turbine wheel on the Heins turbocharger Balacer. Then again I put the assembly together and balance it as a whole.
If you think I am attacking you personally you'll notice it.
I have never heard of a t5/t6 S trim. Fill me in on it... How much boost were you running? What was done to the car?

However again, I am not full of ****... A turbo I built w/ my hands made 1915 hp on a small block 347ci ford engine. So you call me full of ****???
I wrecked my car friday. Fixin it by july. I have never had it at the track, I drive it everyday. I don't boast, and I never have. I did race one of the faster cars around here locally. It was an Astec 7 Kit car that weighed 1800 pounds. He won nopi in it several times. He said it ran 11.4 at 122 mph the way it sat. On pump gas an I dunno how much boost, in 3rd and 4th gear I had to let out becaust I was about to hit is bumper. And that was with the small turbo . I do also have a 1st gen project. It is a bit of a secret till she comes alive.... hehehe
I am not here to make enemies. I didn't insult you, you assumed that I did.
later,
Bryan

BoostedRotors

Now I feel the need to add my two cents, whether you want it or not. I read this forum a lot, and of course anyone who does, sees the name RETed everywhere. I understand that you help out a lot of folks on here, and when it comes down to it, know a whole hell of a lot more about these cars than I do...I dont deny that. I think its great that you help out so many. I do however find it amusing that the first time I have seen anyone call you out on something or correct you has been in this thread, by my friend Bryan, and you say he's full of **** because of it.

I have an idea, let's post pics of either one of Bryan's cars, which HE built, turbos and all...then lets post pics of YOUR car. Im sure everyone will agree, Bryan knows his ****. I dare say the only two 2nd gens on here faster or that produce more power would be Crispeed and Soul Assassin.


Im sure Ill catch a lot of **** from all the guys on here who ride your coat tails, Ill be the one guy who doesnt kiss up to the all mighty RETed...if anyone wants to blacklist me or whatever, that's fine. Im loyal to my friends and Bryan is my friend. While we spend our time on here talking about our cars and what wed LIKE to do to them, Bryan is out there doing it. and Ted, Ive seen the pics of your car, So dont tell me youre out there too.

So now that I have commited "forum sucide" I'll go. Im sure ill get responses to this full of snide comments, who the hell are you's, and you dont know what youre talking about's...so bring it on. I may not know too much about specs, or how to's...but I know the difference in an powerful FC like Bryans, and an oxidized rustbucket full of home depot mods complete with dash board carpeting. So I believe the question is, RETed, how fast is YOUR car?

good day.---Nick

MIKE-P-28

iTrader: (1)

Well I CANT say anything bad about Bryan.. Only heard good things, I guess thats why I sent him my money to get my turbo and clutch from him. I hear he does an excellent job, at one of the most competitve prices around.

Also he is easy to contact, and hes very friendly with his emails. I like being able to contact someone and Bryan is one of the friendliest people I've dealt with

Megaspeed7

Wow, RETed in all honesty you must not know Bryan too well. Clearly from his post he was joking. Whether you are stressed from the lack of job or whatever, you need to go back and read how he said it (Hint - look for smiley!).

Anyways reguarding Bryan's work:
I have known Bryan for about 2 years now and have been doing business as well as exchanging information with him since before he quit Turbo Specialties. I have had a T3/T4 V trim turbo built out of my RX-7 turbo as well as a 16g rebuilt for my GSX and I must say that both turbos are still working perfectly to this day. Excellent work from Bryan, everything was bead blasted and absolutly NO shaft play or leaks whatsoever. I am about to send out a check to him for the Star spec stage 3 clutch and I think his prices are more fair compared to almost anyone around. As far as his credentials don't take my word for it CALL TURBO SPECIALTIES! they will tell you along with the 3 other friends I know who have had Bryan build their turbos that he does great work and is very self motivated and hard working. I guess I just respect someone who does custom work on thier own and still is a nice enough guy to call and talk to about your family problems etc. One of these days we are gonna meet up and hang out and I will then tell you if he looks as intelligent as he is (as soon as I get time to put this damn T04 and intercooler on the car - semester is HARD).

And if anyone thinks that I *worship* Bryan cause I am ignorant of REX's or anything like that TRY ME. I'll put my knowledge (and my stock blocked 1.3L ) up against almost any rotary fan. But warning, I have had 5 of them, its kinda cheating.

Patrick Harris

RETed

So you're saying your home-made balancer does the same job as a multi-million dollar VSR balancer?


It's a standard Garrett wheel.&nbsp If you do enough work with Garrett turbos, it shouldn't be a mystery to you.
http://www.turboneticsinc.com/catalog/comp_wheels.html

My specs are here:
http://fc3s-pro.com/PROJECTS/myfc.html

See what I mean by resume bragging...



-Ted

RETed

For someone is claim (imply?) that static balancing is enough on a turbocharger is full of it - that's why I said what I said.&nbsp Please don't stick you nose in here if you have no idea what I'm talking about.&nbsp You just added your comments because I attacked BNR.&nbsp I'm sure Bryan is big enough to defend himself...


Resumse bragging...&nbsp That's one thing I can't compete with.&nbsp I don't have the money to be able to do as others who have done.&nbsp It's always comes down to this..."so-and-so has made this much power and has gone this fast..."&nbsp Okay, you win...I lose.&nbsp Is that what you want?


How about you riding on BNR's coattails?&nbsp I guess everyone will know whose side you're on, huh.&nbsp Yes, I agree my car looks like **** - I don't hide that, nor do I build my cars to look pretty.&nbsp I guess I lost again, huh.&nbsp No wonder I don't enter any car shows or beauty pagents...


I don't really care you sticking up for Bryan.&nbsp What my beef is I bet you have no idea what we are talking about...how to balance a turbocharger...the difference between static and dynamic balancing of a turbo...why one is superior to the other...&nbsp I would suggest you keep your nose out of it - this is not a popularity contest.&nbsp You have already made your point that you love Bryan.&nbsp You have made your point about how my car looks like ***; this is something I don't hide nor I falsely try to cover up.

Hmmmm...Home Depot mods?&nbsp Where?&nbsp The car probably has more money thrown into that YOURS and BRYAN's FC's combined.&nbsp You're making yourself look stupid - so you end up insulting my car?&nbsp How old are you?&nbsp I bet still in high school?&nbsp Shoo...go away, I don't wanna waste my time with kids...

The specs on my car are on my website - I don't hide it.&nbsp Go look for it - even the fastest 1/4-mile run is on the website.&nbsp If you don't believe me, I'll gladly scan the original timeslip just for you...


-Ted

RETed

Sure sounds like it...
For a turbo "expert", his descriptions on balancing a turbo is "shady" - this is the point I am worried on...



-Ted

SPOautos

Ted, I dont see anything in Brians post that I would consider a personal attack. If there was something that seemed like an attack I'm sure it was a miscommunication.

Anyway, I can tell you that I've watched Brian build turbos and can vouch for the fact that they are balance and built by him personally. Almost everything Brian sells is hand crafted by him personally and he takes alot of pride in his work.

I have some BNRsupercar products on my car and promise you if they werent professional, high quality, products they wouldnt be there. I have a BNR streetported motor, IC, and intake. I've been very happy with them all and bought them because I felt they were superior to the alternatives.

As for his pricing, I dont think its high at all. I dont know much about 2nd Gen pricing but for 3rd Gen pricing I dont know of hardly anyone that can touch his prices. Not only are his prices usually lower the quality is on par or higher than the competition with better customer service to boot.

Believe me when I tell you Brian is doing this cause its his dream job, he is by no means getting rich off of this. I'm sure you might be able to do something a little cheaper however he has to pay for a shop, tools, utilities and a ton of other stuff including food to eat. If you compare his prices to his competitors I'm sure you'll find that his pricing is where it needs to be. If there is a BNR product that cost more than a competitor its probably because in the pursuit of perfection he has built more quality (i.e. cost) into the product than some of the other guys.

Brian is a honest upstanding guy and is trying VERY hard to bring the RX7 community products that are better than what is currently on the market for a reasonable price.

Later,
STEPHEN

FEARED7

I don't deal with turbonettics.. Therefore I don't know their products and part numbers. I am familliar with the turbonettics catelog. I can read and calculate math with the best of them.
Home made what? Home made nothing! When will you learn. I even appologized to you for makin that comment. that is a joke man. Maybe you should lighten up. I told you I wasn't out to get you. Why are you out to get me?? huh? You know that turbonettics offered a customer of ours a big some to get inside of one of our turbochargers? They have no clue what we were doing and how we were keeping the turbos together for more than 100 passes. a bunch of their turbos only lasted in the burnout box! lol.... And guess what??? I ain't tellin no tricks! I promised Turbo Specialties that I would keep my mouth shut on big time performance turbos. Our biggest turbo made full boost from idle in less than 4 thousanths of a second...

Megaspeed7

RETed,
It seems that you need to re-read what you wrote about the T5/6 compressor wheel. You wrote "T5/6 S trim". Well...WHICH IS IT? S trim? or T5/6 trim?? maybe that's what Bryan is confused about.

As far as the Dynamic vs. Static balancing:
I agree that Dynamic balancing on a *Multi million dollar* (haha) VSR machine is the best way to go. From my Kinematics class and the balancing techniques section this is THE BEST way to balance, but what you are missing here is that mostly a dynamic balance should be used when the shaft is going to be under some serious shear forces like in the crank of a piston motor. At least this is what we did it for in lab. You can still static balance just fine and get so close that it would be negligible. If you want more info I can show you what I mean from some of my textbook diagrams. If you wanna more critical example, look at the HUGE sigle turbos that them V8 boys use. I have talked to a few people who have seen hand assembled and UNBALANCED!! EEEK! Thumper turbos lasting forever. Also some more food for thought, what do you think happens to the turbo once you install it and all that soot builds up on the turbine ?? do you think that Turbonetics compensates for that before they send it to you??? hmm I don't think that's very posssible to any degree of accuracy.


As far as your car goes, I am laughing. PORTED MOTOR AND A HYBRID TURBO ONLY RUNNING 13.4!!!!!!! WITH DRAG RADIALS??? Damn, you need to learn to drive or something. I ran 13.3 @ 104.5 on the STOCK 88 block, STOCK intercooler, STOCK GTX turbo (13 psi), on 225 street extrmeme's!! Don't believe me?? I'll show you the videotape!! Wasn't a freak run either, the car would pull 13.4-13.6 all night! I then Put on a hybrid V trim to run 12.6 @ 111 mph. I don't get it, maybe my 2 TII's were BOTH ringers? Maybe I just know my ****. who knows?

Sorry to bust your bubble,
Patrick Harris

RETed

Hey man, I was just wondering how you balanced your turbos...
You implied that they were only statically balanced, but even that might be totally wrong.&nbsp I know you gotta keep your secrets, but through all the context, even I'm still vague on what exactly you're doing.&nbsp It might not be a VSR machine, but you wanna give us some hints what you do?&nbsp It doesn't need to be in excrutiating detail...

Before this whole thing blew up, it was about who to recommend in terms of turbo building.&nbsp I do not have any experience with BNR, therefore, I can't make any recommendations either way.&nbsp I thought I had made that clear.&nbsp The only other comment I stuffed in there was I thought your TID pipe for $219 was a bit pricey.

I dunno about you, but I get majorly defensive when people start ragging on my FC.&nbsp I've spent too much money and too much time into the car.&nbsp I've had it since 1994, and I've never stopped loving it since the first day I drove it.&nbsp People like BoostedRotors can go SUCK MY ******* for all I care, if it's going to turn into a who-can-insult-each-others-FC contest.&nbsp I dunno where THIS personal attack came from, but that is downright dirty...

I have had good experience with http://www.turbocharged.com/ - that was my point.&nbsp I know ALL the bad stuff that comes out of Turbonetics, but you cannot argue that their name is on top in terms of the import (race) scene.&nbsp Do you guys push more volume than they do?&nbsp I compare all price with Turbonetics - that's all I used them for.&nbsp I have enough experience to know what Turbonetics charges for jobs, and how crappy their work is.&nbsp Bottom line, Turbonetics is one of the most recognized names in turbochargers for imports - care to dispute this?

Seriously, I wish all the luck to you and your business...&nbsp The FC guys have been stuck with 2nd rate service and products for a long time now.&nbsp I welcome ANY shop that does top-quality work for the FC crowd.&nbsp Hell, once I manage to get my shop running, maybe we're run some business through you to see if we can run a business relationship...



-Ted

BoostedRotors

Where to start?
What my beef is I bet you have no idea what we are talking about...how to balance a turbocharger...the difference between static and dynamic balancing of a turbo...why one is superior to the other... I would suggest you keep your nose out of it - this is not a popularity contest.

I thought I made it clear at the beginning of my post that I wasnt challenging your knowledge. Everyone on here knows that you know a lot about these cars...bully for you. however, I never said I knew NOTHING. You would suggest I keep my nose out of it? Wow, Ted, that's a prett bold statement to make on a computer...what are you gonna do, post a machine gun smiley? call me stupid? please spare me....



I don't have the money to be able to do as others who have done.

I know this is a pot shot, but washing your car is FREE!

How about you riding on BNR's coattails?

If you wanna call it it riding BNR's coat tails, fine by me. This is my local shop. Bryan is always there when i need help, he always goes the extra mile to help me out, so if I can return that favor by taking up for him and his shop in an online forum...fine by me.

Hmmmm...Home Depot mods? Where? The car probably has more money thrown into that YOURS and BRYAN's FC's combined.


Your car has money it??? Tell me ted, what was the most expensive part? the neon silicon hose set? maybe its outdoor carpet on the dash...ooohh, ooohhh, I know! it must be the bright orange heater duct coming out underneath the intake! Did you have to pay to remove the carpet from the hatch?

You're making yourself look stupid - so you end up insulting my car? How old are you? I bet still in high school? Shoo...go away, I don't wanna waste my time with kids...


Oh, Teddie boy, if you only knew. Let me say it like this, then Ill retire from this thread. I for one am not impressed by what you have read and repeated here on this forum. Im not impressed with what youve done, who you know, or what specs you spit out about what turbo. When all is said and done, you are nothing to me. I tried to keep this from becoming too personal, hence me leaving out anything about you personally.
I commented on your actions on this forum and the car you drove. If you'd like this to become a personal flame war, RETed, I'd be more than happy to accomodate that...but neither of us want that.

So you can continue your arrogant reign as "king" of this forum. I for one will not bow down.

RETed

I dunno...I spent the past 15 minutes re-reading everything I wrote.&nbsp I didn't think there was any mis-communication on what I wrote.&nbsp Bryan is a turbo expert, it should be pretty straight-forward what I meant...&nbsp You, on the other hand, should learn to comprehend English better and go look at the difference between a T5/T6 compressor and a S-trim compressor...


I think you need to go read some SAE papers.&nbsp The whole reason Rick Head (when he was working at Turbonetics) came up with the single-sided BB turbo retrofit was harmonics on the shaft.&nbsp You're taking the class...maybe you can explain how a static balance is going to tune out harmonics?


Oh, now it's going to turn into I-drove-quicker-than-you-so-you-much-suck thread...
Ok, I'm overwhelmed, you like Bryan too, right?&nbsp I'll write that down too - does that make you happy?

Sure, other have gone faster.&nbsp What does that mean?&nbsp They either drive better than I do, and/or the car is prepped better.&nbsp I never said I was the best drag racer on here, did I?&nbsp Did I claim I was the fastest FC on here, did I?&nbsp So what's your point?

The car was no opimized due to the fact that the rear camber was too extreme from the drop due to the Ground Control coilovers.&nbsp The launch only managed to pop out a 2.1xx 60' time which is crappy on drag radials.&nbsp I only figured out the bad rear tire footprint after installing the rear adjust camber bar.&nbsp Oh well, so shoot me for having a slow car...



-Ted

FEARED7

Damn you guys LOL... yall calm down..
Hey Reted.
Thank you for the kind post . I would like to say to you that I have access to some of the finest balancing equipment available. I have a great friend at Turbo Specialties that lets me use their equipment. I also on the other hand, still kinda do favors for them to try and make up for the equipment use.
The opinion I have on VSR balancing, it is a waste of time and money. I bought a mitsubishi turbo TD07 25G. It had been VSR tested. I took it apart and there had been trash in the VSR maching, and it went through the bearings. Nothing big to ruin it, but you could definately see where the trash had scared the journal bearings.
The VSR balancer just put oil pressure on the turbo and spins it up to full RPM. I really don't like the idea of running a new turbo w/o breakin in to full rpm.. The journal bearings spin 1/2 the shaft speed and the cross hatching in the bearing housing needs to break in before you gas the **** out of the turbo. Just my opinion. people brean in engines, they have rotor bearings... I have the same feeling about a turbo.
I hope we do have a good business relationship. I hope you buy a turbo from me . hehe. J/k It is a free world, everyone knows that. You can say anything you want whenever you want. I just like to inform you that I am wrong sometimes. But I am right sometimes too.
Forget about this thread. Just hope everyone leaned something by it.
be cool.
Bryan

RETed

Hey, I never said you needed to listen.&nbsp I was stating my opinion.&nbsp How you take it is your deal...

Hey, so how does washing your car make it go faster?


Hey, I *wish* it were that cheap...&nbsp I wish I could brag and say it cheap all the cheapie stuff on the car.&nbsp I'll let you talk to my credit card companies and debt collector and go explain to them where all the money went?


Hey man, just because you can drink and go to a strip bar doesn't make you a mature adult...


This I gotta see...


Boy, trying to keep your conscience clean?&nbsp You throw all that **** and then claim you did nothing bad?


Boy, you throw all that crap and then claim it's not personal?&nbsp Wow, my comprehension must be messed...

I dunno where you got that notation from...I never claimed that.&nbsp I'm sorry to disappoint you.&nbsp I am on here to try and help others.&nbsp If you think I'm doing it as an ego trip, man, I must have my brain all messed up...



-Ted