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Old 12-17-02, 06:25 AM
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Unable to Select Gears...

...I think for sure my Tranny Is no good. The other day, I start up the Beast and was unable to Reverse. I released the Clutch Pedal and repeated. Nothing. I then went to 1st Gear and was still unable to get Into Gear.

I then pushed my car a half foot and then was able to get Into Gear. This Is the second time btw. This seems to be progressive and every here and there I'd be unable to get Into 1st Gear, In particular.

I've been running Redline now for 3 yrs now and I can verify It's smoothed out my Shifter. Has anyone else experienced the same as above? What could be wrong?
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I'm thinking maybe your clutch isn't fully releasing.
Are you loosing any clutch fluid?
Does the clutch pedal feel abnormal?
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Another possibility - The plastic socket that the bottom end of the shift lever seats into can fail. This gives more play and makes it harder to select gears.
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If his clutch wasnt fully releasing, dont you think itd grind...?
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My Clutch Pedal feels absolutely normal, I'm not losing a drop of Clutch fluid and I've changed the Shifter Bushings last Summer.

Thats the thing. It grinds pretty bad when the Gear doesn't want to engage.
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Originally posted by silverrotor
My Clutch Pedal feels absolutely normal, I'm not losing a drop of Clutch fluid and I've changed the Shifter Bushings last Summer.

Thats the thing. It grinds pretty bad when the Gear doesn't want to engage.

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Well if it is grinding then Id say, yeah. It could be your clutch not disengaging fully.


Still doesnt make sense that the problem solves itself when you push the car forward some...
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I'm not experiencing any Clutch slipping or anything else to suspect the Clutch Is wearing.

I think It's the Tranny.
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This is kind of bizarre..
When it's spinning in neutral - is it noisy?
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I believe if pilot bearing gone , or going, trans will not slow down when clutch depressed, therefore making shifting difficult to say the least. Just a thought.
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When In Neutral, there Is no whinning.

If It were the Pilot Bearing that was bad, the above would occur.
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i think it might be the bearing in your clutch too. i had some of the same problems you are talking about then i fuzed the bearing to the clutch on my car not too long ago. Of course, mine occured abruptly and without much (if any) warning.

i was unable to get the car into gear in first without a lot work; i wasn't dripping any fluid; and the clutch pedal still seemed to work. the only difference i had is that it did whin at first and i could feel that the engine was being taxed (i.e. like it was still partly in gear), but that stopped after i drove it off the highway which is where i almost got stuck.

Either way it sounds like the tranny is going to have to come down. So i suggest start with the clutch and if that looks ok then it might be time to get your tranny rebuilt. i was lucky and only needed to replace the clutch.
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I understand that, but something is turning the trans or it wouldn't grind. You did state you have experienced grinding when not able to shift into gear. If trans weren't turning, there would be no grinding.The only reason it's grinding is because gears are turning in trans, hence pilot bearing not allowing trans to stop, or clutch not releasing from pp. It's impossible for gears to grind if trans not turning.
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What do you mean by Tranny turning?
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The input shaft (the shaft that goes through the clutch and into the pilot bearing) stops, or should stop turning when the clutch depressed. Flywheel, pressure plate keeps spinning, but disc and shaft should cease turning. Therefore the trans gears stop turning. If for some reason, the shaft continues to turn when clutch drepressed, the trans will continue to turn as if clutch is still engaged. Hope this helps.
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Yeah, if it is grinding that means the input shaft is being driven, so you might very well have clutch problems.

That said, I have had somre REALLY odd problems out of trannies recently. These are from partscars or whatever, so it really didnt matter to me, but I thought it odd. THis happened twice this month, once on a t2 once on an NA.

Shifter in neutral, clutch out(86-87 models with no clutch switch) cranking the engine moves the car. Repeat: with the shifter in neutral releasing the clutch moves the car. The t2 moved in reverse, the NA moved forward. Gears 1 and 2 had teh same effect: on the t2, 1 and 2 were still reverse, on the NA 1 and 2 are still first(from what I can tell). 3, 4, 5, and R are non existant...no slot for the shifter to go into. Now that represents tranny problems
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The exact same thing happened to my n/a after i sold it to a friend. It turned out that the transmission fluid was very low. I would check that first. Don't assume that it isn't leaking just because you havent seen it leak.
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That was my next question - is that Red Line oil still in there?
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Yea, Redline MT 9O Is In there. As Is said before, only effected In 1st and Reverse. Shouldn't all Gears be effected with your suggestions?
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Whats worse now, Is everytime I start my car In cold weather, I am having a far harder time to get It In 1st. It's not so bad when It's warmed up. But even still, Reverse Gear has always been abit of a problem but far worst now.

My question Is, If the Pilot Bearing Is bad, why Is It only 1st and Reverse Gear seems to be effected? Has this already been addressed?
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My friends started with first and reverse, then got worse. At first it was only hard to get into gear when the car wasn't moving, but on the road shifting into other gears wasn't a problem. After awhile, the car had to be moving to get it into first, we had to push it while it was in neutral. I'd check your fluid again, twice, just to be sure. The mechanic he took it to ordered an new clutch before checking the fluid level.
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Question. If the Release Cylinder (slave) line Isn't leaking, where else could a leak occur.

Shame on me! I do notice a slight loss of Clutch Fluid.
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That i can't tell you... My transmission has yet to break on me, so i haven't bothered to learn much about it. although, shifting was getting a little rough (before i took the car apart) until the car warmed up. maybe i should check the fluid level.

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