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Two problems..
Ok I have a two problems so I will just limit them to one thread lol
Problem one:
When the clutch is not engaged this loud like grinding noise happens, while driving and while in idle.
here is a vid
http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m...t=DSCN0281.flv
Problem two:
The car will not pass emissions lol even with denatured alcohol in it.
here are the results in order from the first one to the third one i took.
They keep telling me im failing idle, so I guess the next time I take it I will just heat up the cat. good. Do you guys think that would help?
Problem one:
When the clutch is not engaged this loud like grinding noise happens, while driving and while in idle.
here is a vid
http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m...t=DSCN0281.flv
Problem two:
The car will not pass emissions lol even with denatured alcohol in it.
here are the results in order from the first one to the third one i took.
They keep telling me im failing idle, so I guess the next time I take it I will just heat up the cat. good. Do you guys think that would help?
02-10-08, 12:03 AM
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Depends on if the cat that you have on is actually working..it needs to be in Good Order..the Rotary Engine eats Cats rather quickly..so If the cat is the same age as the Car,Replace the darn thing!..With that in Mind,Take the car out for a Real good run before you actually get it to the emissions test area...Question Do you have an Air pump on your car that is hooked up?.If not,that is a factor.,.Search air pump to cat..you may find some info.Good Luck.
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Well I just did a oil change not to long ago, new spark plugs, and I believe the cat is newer to because when I bought the car from my cousin (tooshort_88) I thought he said it had a new exhaust minus the header, I could be wrong I will have to ask him and see.
I will check out a new o2 sensor, but just to get the car to pass as of now because its still not in my name because it wouldnt pass should I just put in some denatured alcohol and drive down the freeway and heat up the cat? Plus a oil change just incase, and it never hurts to do that anyway lol.
and also what do you guys think about the sound in the video?
I will check out a new o2 sensor, but just to get the car to pass as of now because its still not in my name because it wouldnt pass should I just put in some denatured alcohol and drive down the freeway and heat up the cat? Plus a oil change just incase, and it never hurts to do that anyway lol.
and also what do you guys think about the sound in the video?
02-10-08, 04:00 PM
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you shouldn't be Driving around with the denatured alcohol in your Tank.,.use it for the Test only..Get the Car nice and HOT.(like freeway driving 20 minutes),and then just BEFORE testing..throw the Stuff in..The Denatured alcohol is not exactly Friendly on seals..so you are Asking for trouble,Driving with it in the Tank..AFTER the test fill up with Gas..That way the stuff gets dilluted..(oh, and I put a 450 dollar Exhaust on my car too..and it does NOT have a Catalytic)..Tap the catalytic to see if it actually has some "innards" in it!..Knock,knock..if it goes Ping!..it is hollow.
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Ya when I did it last time I put it on right before and filled up right after.
but does anyone have any idea on the sound in the video is?
but does anyone have any idea on the sound in the video is?
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02-11-08, 11:38 PM
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What brand of cat was put on? This is important because if it was a cheap universal cat from Pep Boys or equivalent, it would not be unheard of for it to be burned out after a very short time because of the higher exhaust temperature of the rotary.
As mentioned by Icemark, you also should do all the other tuneup stuff including a new oxygen sensor.
My 7 failed emissions for the first time a few years ago and it ended up being the cat, though it was a not-too-cheap Bonez cat that had failed after about five years of use. I replaced it with one from Random Technology and passed with plenty of room to spare. The OEM Mazda ones last longer but cost a fortune and rob you of more horsepower, the old tradeoff.
Also, this is kind of obvious, but if the exhaust is new, you might want to doublecheck all the gaskets for leaks. Depending on the kind of sniffers they use in Washington, if uncatalyzed exhaust is escaping ahead of the cat this could throw off your results.
As mentioned by Icemark, you also should do all the other tuneup stuff including a new oxygen sensor.
My 7 failed emissions for the first time a few years ago and it ended up being the cat, though it was a not-too-cheap Bonez cat that had failed after about five years of use. I replaced it with one from Random Technology and passed with plenty of room to spare. The OEM Mazda ones last longer but cost a fortune and rob you of more horsepower, the old tradeoff.
Also, this is kind of obvious, but if the exhaust is new, you might want to doublecheck all the gaskets for leaks. Depending on the kind of sniffers they use in Washington, if uncatalyzed exhaust is escaping ahead of the cat this could throw off your results.
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Alright ..I saw the video..Did you Press the clutch in,put in In Neutral and then Let the clutch out?..if so,That noise is a throw out bearing.Also,the Emissions thing..A New Cat and an AIR PUMP are Pretty well Standard in order to pass a E-TestYOu can't depend on a Cat that has been on the car Say Past Two years.The Engines run at a higher Exhaust temp and tend to make Mincemaet out of the Ceramic Brick in the Catalytic..Now if the Cat has that Split air tube to it,you may be able to Tap the OUTLET of the Air Pump to Blow air directly Into that Tube and Into the Catalytic.That would Dillute the Exhaust with Fresh air,that is enough to pass the Car,..you should also adjust the Engine's fuel so that it is as LEAN as possible,without Starving the car..That heps also..(look up Variable resistor)..Take a Look through the SEC GEN archives.it should have some Info on ETESTS..Try "failed Emissions,Something like that..the info is there you just have to Look for it..Sorry I have to say that,But If the Problem has been Covered More Times than an Ugly Hooker's face,then some Lads here just tend to Not Give a hoot in hell,and it can be difficult to get a straight answer..So,again Good luck,.STYX.
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Ok so if it is the throw out bearing just wondering, if you pull up on the stick will it stop making the noise? Because if I pull up the sound goes away.
02-13-08, 01:13 AM
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A New Cat and an AIR PUMP are Pretty well Standard in order to pass a E-TestYOu can't depend on a Cat that has been on the car Say Past Two years.The Engines run at a higher Exhaust temp and tend to make Mincemaet out of the Ceramic Brick in the Catalytic..Now if the Cat has that Split air tube to it,you may be able to Tap the OUTLET of the Air Pump to Blow air directly Into that Tube and Into the Catalytic.That would Dillute the Exhaust with Fresh air,that is enough to pass the Car,..
The air pump air does not dilute the mixture, it dumps O2 into the middle of the cat to help complete the conversion, not dilute the conversion of exhaust gases.
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did you check all your sensors? a couple months back my tps took a dumpon me and was causing my car to run really rich....check for holes in the exhaust, gaskets aswell......
you said you have the stock headers right? make sure your headers are in good condition......after an extensive amount of reading(ok fine, i actually didnt read that much) i found that the stock headers help with post combustion before it makes it to the cat.
check to make sure air is getting to the cat....just like any fire, the cat needs air to keep it lit properly
you said you have the stock headers right? make sure your headers are in good condition......after an extensive amount of reading(ok fine, i actually didnt read that much) i found that the stock headers help with post combustion before it makes it to the cat.
check to make sure air is getting to the cat....just like any fire, the cat needs air to keep it lit properly
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[QUOTE=kelton89;7860791]Ok so if it is the throw out bearing just wondering, if you pull up on the stick will it stop making the noise? Because if I pull up the sound goes away.[/QUOTE
then you will have just taken the Vibration of the Transmission out of the shifter,So Check the shifter bushings.You could have mentioned that Before you Post it ,So people don't have to "psychically Diagnose" it.
Honestly,this stuff has been covered,and is In the SEC GEN Archives.Do some investigation through some Material My friend.I am not being a Snot about your Problem,But The Forum Does have so much Material,that once you do Go through it,It Makes you a Better Owner,so you can fix it If you happen to Encounter it....so,Check Pilot Bearing,Throw out Bearing,and Failed Emissions,HIGH Flo Cat,tuning an FC,stuff like that..You are only going to get the Next Guys Best Guess,and that will never remedy the Problem.There is always getting another Member to take a look at your car also,.So if you have Buddy that has owned One of these FINE Cars,then Lure him over to the house with a BEER,a cheeseburger,anything!..heh..at least he will take a Hands on approach,which you will find is alot better that Posting that the car makes this Funny noise,and have People play "what's that NOISE?"!!.I do want to hear about the results of the Emissions test Though, when you go for it,so Post results,Please..That helps others..Then YOUR Info can be put in the Archives....CHEERS .STYX.
then you will have just taken the Vibration of the Transmission out of the shifter,So Check the shifter bushings.You could have mentioned that Before you Post it ,So people don't have to "psychically Diagnose" it.
Honestly,this stuff has been covered,and is In the SEC GEN Archives.Do some investigation through some Material My friend.I am not being a Snot about your Problem,But The Forum Does have so much Material,that once you do Go through it,It Makes you a Better Owner,so you can fix it If you happen to Encounter it....so,Check Pilot Bearing,Throw out Bearing,and Failed Emissions,HIGH Flo Cat,tuning an FC,stuff like that..You are only going to get the Next Guys Best Guess,and that will never remedy the Problem.There is always getting another Member to take a look at your car also,.So if you have Buddy that has owned One of these FINE Cars,then Lure him over to the house with a BEER,a cheeseburger,anything!..heh..at least he will take a Hands on approach,which you will find is alot better that Posting that the car makes this Funny noise,and have People play "what's that NOISE?"!!.I do want to hear about the results of the Emissions test Though, when you go for it,so Post results,Please..That helps others..Then YOUR Info can be put in the Archives....CHEERS .STYX.
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wait!! i no that noise....thats no grind thats a whirring....im almost completely positive i know what that is....
if im correct thats a more advanced version of how my tranny is.....if you push the clutch and it goes away....then its most likely your counter shaft is excessively worn....that one sounds louder than mine so i think yours has been beaten on a hell of a lot more.
however im not fully positive...the only way to find out is to pull the tranny, change the pilot and throw out bearings....if it goes away then great! if not then im correct and your just going to have to deal with it, rebuild it or get another trans
if im correct thats a more advanced version of how my tranny is.....if you push the clutch and it goes away....then its most likely your counter shaft is excessively worn....that one sounds louder than mine so i think yours has been beaten on a hell of a lot more.
however im not fully positive...the only way to find out is to pull the tranny, change the pilot and throw out bearings....if it goes away then great! if not then im correct and your just going to have to deal with it, rebuild it or get another trans
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[QUOTE=misterstyx69;7861070]
ya i understand what you mean and i REALLY should search more instead of being spoon fed, just when i get on here i dont have much time to get into it, even though its doesnt take long so that isnt the greatest excuse lol.
But thank you for the help so far I will definetly look into this stuff more. and I will post what was wrong when i pass lol..
Ok so if it is the throw out bearing just wondering, if you pull up on the stick will it stop making the noise? Because if I pull up the sound goes away.[/QUOTE
then you will have just taken the Vibration of the Transmission out of the shifter,So Check the shifter bushings.You could have mentioned that Before you Post it ,So people don't have to "psychically Diagnose" it.
Honestly,this stuff has been covered,and is In the SEC GEN Archives.Do some investigation through some Material My friend.I am not being a Snot about your Problem,But The Forum Does have so much Material,that once you do Go through it,It Makes you a Better Owner,so you can fix it If you happen to Encounter it....so,Check Pilot Bearing,Throw out Bearing,and Failed Emissions,HIGH Flo Cat,tuning an FC,stuff like that..You are only going to get the Next Guys Best Guess,and that will never remedy the Problem.There is always getting another Member to take a look at your car also,.So if you have Buddy that has owned One of these FINE Cars,then Lure him over to the house with a BEER,a cheeseburger,anything!..heh..at least he will take a Hands on approach,which you will find is alot better that Posting that the car makes this Funny noise,and have People play "what's that NOISE?"!!.I do want to hear about the results of the Emissions test Though, when you go for it,so Post results,Please..That helps others..Then YOUR Info can be put in the Archives....CHEERS .STYX.
then you will have just taken the Vibration of the Transmission out of the shifter,So Check the shifter bushings.You could have mentioned that Before you Post it ,So people don't have to "psychically Diagnose" it.
Honestly,this stuff has been covered,and is In the SEC GEN Archives.Do some investigation through some Material My friend.I am not being a Snot about your Problem,But The Forum Does have so much Material,that once you do Go through it,It Makes you a Better Owner,so you can fix it If you happen to Encounter it....so,Check Pilot Bearing,Throw out Bearing,and Failed Emissions,HIGH Flo Cat,tuning an FC,stuff like that..You are only going to get the Next Guys Best Guess,and that will never remedy the Problem.There is always getting another Member to take a look at your car also,.So if you have Buddy that has owned One of these FINE Cars,then Lure him over to the house with a BEER,a cheeseburger,anything!..heh..at least he will take a Hands on approach,which you will find is alot better that Posting that the car makes this Funny noise,and have People play "what's that NOISE?"!!.I do want to hear about the results of the Emissions test Though, when you go for it,so Post results,Please..That helps others..Then YOUR Info can be put in the Archives....CHEERS .STYX.
ya i understand what you mean and i REALLY should search more instead of being spoon fed, just when i get on here i dont have much time to get into it, even though its doesnt take long so that isnt the greatest excuse lol.
But thank you for the help so far I will definetly look into this stuff more. and I will post what was wrong when i pass lol..
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wait!! i no that noise....thats no grind thats a whirring....im almost completely positive i know what that is....
if im correct thats a more advanced version of how my tranny is.....if you push the clutch and it goes away....then its most likely your counter shaft is excessively worn....that one sounds louder than mine so i think yours has been beaten on a hell of a lot more.
however im not fully positive...the only way to find out is to pull the tranny, change the pilot and throw out bearings....if it goes away then great! if not then im correct and your just going to have to deal with it, rebuild it or get another trans
if im correct thats a more advanced version of how my tranny is.....if you push the clutch and it goes away....then its most likely your counter shaft is excessively worn....that one sounds louder than mine so i think yours has been beaten on a hell of a lot more.
however im not fully positive...the only way to find out is to pull the tranny, change the pilot and throw out bearings....if it goes away then great! if not then im correct and your just going to have to deal with it, rebuild it or get another trans
Its kinda hard when this is my DD and i have school and everything. Well mid winter break is coming up so I guess that would be a good time to get on everything lol.
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the whirring doesnt mean its going to take a dump on you at any moment....its just rather annoying realy....try changing your gear oil, it may help.....s4 5 speeds take 80-90 weight oil....changing the fluid may help at least reduce the noise
and like i said, its just another possibility...it may just be one of the bearings.....however the fact that you can make the noise go away by pulling on the shaft means the issue will most likely turn out ot be internal
and like i said, its just another possibility...it may just be one of the bearings.....however the fact that you can make the noise go away by pulling on the shaft means the issue will most likely turn out ot be internal
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also, now that i look at those pics....you may want to figure out what the hell happened between the two tests that would make you fail one section on one day and pass it on the other.....
you might want to get a multimeter or a scantool and check your sensors....your probably going to want to check the tps, afm, map, O2, and colant temp sensors
what headers are you using?
you might want to get a multimeter or a scantool and check your sensors....your probably going to want to check the tps, afm, map, O2, and colant temp sensors
what headers are you using?
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I was wondering the same exact thing lol. Sometimes it would pass in one thing but the next time it would fail. Im using the stock header, and I will check my sensors.. I was reading some stuff I just need to look into it more.
I guess I will start with the cheap stuff and work my way up.
I guess I will start with the cheap stuff and work my way up.
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Ok update.. I got a new variable resistor and leaned it out and passed idle, but failed cruise. But right before I went I noticed an exhaust leak. I have noticed it before but it was really small.. now its pretty bad, the line that connects to the cat. broke off. And im assuming this is why I failed? Could that cause me to fail?
And the sound in the video.. I kinda think its the trans. mount. If I hit a bump the shifter kinda jumps up and I hear like tranmission hitting, well I think thats what it is. But I dont know if a bad mount would cause that much noise..? And I noticed today that sometimes when im stopped it wont do it till i move..? so I dont know..
And the sound in the video.. I kinda think its the trans. mount. If I hit a bump the shifter kinda jumps up and I hear like tranmission hitting, well I think thats what it is. But I dont know if a bad mount would cause that much noise..? And I noticed today that sometimes when im stopped it wont do it till i move..? so I dont know..
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