2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

Turbo missing?? Indeed.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 22, 2009 | 10:48 PM
  #1  
importtuner137's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
From: Idaho
Turbo missing?? Indeed.

Alright, so I'm just about to purchase my s4 TII swap from Japan2la, and I came across the post from Chris Boots about some of the little things that you'll need to do.

He said I also needed these;

TID, BOOST SENSOR, BLOW OFF VALVE/ BAR, and the FUEL PUMP are the things that I still need to pick up to finish the swap.

My question is, would I be able to just temporarily block off the turbo and not install the intercooler yet, and run the car untill I can come up with the cash to buy those parts?

Or, Would I be able to throw in the old N/A intake and exhaust temporarily untill I can come up with that cash?

Any alternate ideas would be imensly helpfull, I just need a car to go to and from work and school.
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2009 | 10:52 PM
  #2  
Boosted11's Avatar
Pistons are gay
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,973
Likes: 0
From: Prince George, BC
Far too much work, and not even heard of to turn a turbo into an n/a because well its retarded... Get the parts if you buy all that used shouldn't cost anymore then $50-100. You don't need an aftermarket bov, get a stock one until you can afford an aftermarket.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 12:34 AM
  #3  
dawicka2's Avatar
well rested,buffet o food
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,605
Likes: 1
From: NY
Yup........Do not start the swap until you have everything, see if japan2la can source you those parts and sensors. Dont forget airflow meter and throttle cable too. Clutch slave cyl if you are installing t2 trans, and stronger NA clutch if you are using na trans.

john ny
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 10:10 AM
  #4  
importtuner137's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
From: Idaho
Originally Posted by Travis V
Far too much work, and not even heard of to turn a turbo into an n/a because well its retarded... Get the parts if you buy all that used shouldn't cost anymore then $50-100. You don't need an aftermarket bov, get a stock one until you can afford an aftermarket.
Correct me if I'm wrong... But, the way you say that you make it sound like the BOV is included in the Japan2la engine swap deal? Or, does it come on the Turbo Inlet Duct?

And, I'm only looking into not installing the turbo and intercooler temporarily... I really need a car at the moment in order to get funds to finish this part of the project. My only concern is that by blocking of the turbo or running N/A intakes and exhaust manifolds may harm the engine...

In short my question is, would converting my TII exhaust into an N/A by removing the turbo and blocking it off damage the engine in any way?
Or, would I be able to bolt on my N/A intake and exhaust without harming the engine?

Please and Thank you SO much,
Scott
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 10:18 AM
  #5  
wvumtnbkr's Avatar
Sit and Spin
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 472
Likes: 0
From: Latrobe, Pa
actually, you can keep the turbo attached. Just bypass the turbo inlet by plumbing your intake (after the MAF) into the intercooler. It shouldn't hurt anything. You will probably want to run the NA ECU, MAF, Boost sensor, and injectors.

THis shouldn't hurt anything, and you will probably get some cool turbo noises!

P.S. put a filter or some obstruction in front of the turbo so it doesn't injest anything.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 10:20 AM
  #6  
wvumtnbkr's Avatar
Sit and Spin
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 472
Likes: 0
From: Latrobe, Pa
your NA exhaust I think will bolt on if you want to go that way, but your NA intake manifolds will not bolt on without some modifications.


If you follow the suggestions of my earlier post, you will still need the TII throttle cable.

What transmission are you running?
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 12:15 PM
  #7  
Japan2LA's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
iTrader: (256)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,089
Likes: 2
From: Los Angeles CA.
Hey,
I have these parts and can add them to your package deal for a decent price..
S4 TII TID
S4 TII BOOST pressure SENSOR
BLOW OFF VALVE ( Use the OEm one that recirculates)
FUEL PUMP ( Buy a walbro, I have them new on the shelf... less than $100.00)
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 12:23 PM
  #8  
Evil Aviator's Avatar
Rotorhead
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 9,136
Likes: 39
From: Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr
actually, you can keep the turbo attached. Just bypass the turbo inlet by plumbing your intake (after the MAF) into the intercooler. It shouldn't hurt anything.
That will cause the turbo to overspeed and fry its bearing and chum its blades. Bad idea.

Originally Posted by Japan2LA
Hey,
I have these parts and can add them to your package deal for a decent price..
S4 TII TID
S4 TII BOOST pressure SENSOR
BLOW OFF VALVE ( Use the OEm one that recirculates)
FUEL PUMP ( Buy a walbro, I have them new on the shelf... less than $100.00)
Good idea.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 12:30 PM
  #9  
wvumtnbkr's Avatar
Sit and Spin
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 472
Likes: 0
From: Latrobe, Pa
why would it cause it to overspeed?

I know of a few people that ran there car this way in order to break in the engine without using boost.

I am not trying to be argumentative, just wondering how that would overspeed the turbo?


Is it because the wastegate would not open?

Thanks in advance for the info.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 12:36 PM
  #10  
SirCygnus's Avatar
whats going on?
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 4,930
Likes: 8
From: atlanta ga
it can be done 100%

slap on a non turbo exhaust manofld and your done with the exhaust part.

then ust run the standard turbo intake manifold, and somehow run the airflow meter on teh other side.

no big deal really. youll just need to change out the flywheel for the same series engine flywheel that is non turbo. got that? good.

thats pretty much all you have to do.

its been done many times before.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 01:38 PM
  #11  
eage8's Avatar
1308ccs of awesome
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 6,189
Likes: 18
From: Woodbine, MD
Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr
why would it cause it to overspeed?

I know of a few people that ran there car this way in order to break in the engine without using boost.

I am not trying to be argumentative, just wondering how that would overspeed the turbo?


Is it because the wastegate would not open?

Thanks in advance for the info.
the turbo isn't building any boost, so the wastegate (which runs off boost pressure) will never open. and it'll just keep trying to build boost (spin faster) until it explodes...
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 01:41 PM
  #12  
eage8's Avatar
1308ccs of awesome
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 6,189
Likes: 18
From: Woodbine, MD
Originally Posted by SirCygnus
it can be done 100%

slap on a non turbo exhaust manofld and your done with the exhaust part.

then ust run the standard turbo intake manifold, and somehow run the airflow meter on teh other side.

no big deal really. youll just need to change out the flywheel for the same series engine flywheel that is non turbo. got that? good.

thats pretty much all you have to do.

its been done many times before.
+1

but it seems kind of dumb... basically your swapping in a working NA (I assume) for a much slower non-turbo turbo engine... why wouldn't you just wait till you have all the parts?

btw: you would also have to cap/block off all the oil and coolant lines for the turbo if you replace it with an NA manifold.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 01:49 PM
  #13  
SirCygnus's Avatar
whats going on?
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 4,930
Likes: 8
From: atlanta ga
Originally Posted by eage8
+1

but it seems kind of dumb... basically your swapping in a working NA (I assume) for a much slower non-turbo turbo engine... why wouldn't you just wait till you have all the parts?

btw: you would also have to cap/block off all the oil and coolant lines for the turbo if you replace it with an NA manifold.


well, sir, you dont need a non turbo intake manifold. like i have stated before, just run the turbo manifold. the actual water lines are easy to block off and dont cost much if anything.

remember to plug the oil feed line.

its been done before, and the 4 port doesnt produce any less hp. people have dynoed 180+ rwhp on a turbo keg converted to na with no porting and just a tune.


JUST DO IT ALREADY!! its so simple to do, it hurts.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 01:55 PM
  #14  
eage8's Avatar
1308ccs of awesome
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 6,189
Likes: 18
From: Woodbine, MD
Originally Posted by SirCygnus
well, sir, you dont need a non turbo intake manifold. like i have stated before, just run the turbo manifold. the actual water lines are easy to block off and dont cost much if anything.

remember to plug the oil feed line.

its been done before, and the 4 port doesnt produce any less hp. people have dynoed 180+ rwhp on a turbo keg converted to na with no porting and just a tune.


JUST DO IT ALREADY!! its so simple to do, it hurts.
well sir , when I referred to the "manifold" I meant the exhaust manifold...

and it'll make less horsepower due to lower compression and an inferior intake manifold design...
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 02:07 PM
  #15  
importtuner137's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
From: Idaho
Question Thanks Japan2LA

Originally Posted by Japan2LA
Hey,
I have these parts and can add them to your package deal for a decent price..
S4 TII TID
S4 TII BOOST pressure SENSOR
BLOW OFF VALVE ( Use the OEm one that recirculates)
FUEL PUMP ( Buy a walbro, I have them new on the shelf... less than $100.00)
So, for the Engine/Tranny combo with wireing harness and ECU ect. Plus the above parts what would the total come to?

Oh, and are your engines rebuilt and, do you recomend a break in period?
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 03:05 PM
  #16  
importtuner137's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
From: Idaho
Talking

Originally Posted by eage8
+1

but it seems kind of dumb... basically your swapping in a working NA (I assume) for a much slower non-turbo turbo engine... why wouldn't you just wait till you have all the parts?

btw: you would also have to cap/block off all the oil and coolant lines for the turbo if you replace it with an NA manifold.
I'm not swapping from a working N/A, I had started to rebuild it, (rear rotor had 70 psi on all sides,) and then found out that the rotor housings were both shot and the rear rotor is no good, little sister dropped it and made me very angry that day... That being stated I decided that the price to fix my six port N/A was compareable to doing a TII swap. So, that's what I'm doing.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Wolf_
Single Turbo RX-7's
3
Aug 11, 2015 04:23 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:11 AM.