Turbo 2 Swap From N/A
11-18-07, 10:44 AM
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Turbo 2 Swap From N/A
Okay, I have done my research and have decided that after the winter, I'm going to swap out my n/a stuff (engine, drivetrain, etc.) for that from a turbo model. Now, I'm looking for some advice on how to go about this. I plan on gathering the components this winter while I work. Keep in mind that I'm still in school and I'm not another one of those stupid teenagers who wants a thousand hp car with lots of "NOS", as they all say, and street races all the time. I just want to build a (fairly) reliable car with a goal of ~400 bhp. I've heard from several people that the T04z was a good turbo for the application. Fabrication isn't a problem. All suggestions are welcome as to what other thing's I could build the car with. Here's the kicker, I'm trying to do this on a budget. I've got about $1500 to tool with plus the $300 a month I'm using as disposable income. I've got a dd (cobra) so keeping this fc in running condition isn't a big deal. Any advice you guys can offer would be helpful and don't tell me to just buy a turbo II. It's a little project I'm wanting to do for fun. Thanks!
11-18-07, 11:14 AM
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You have budgeted nowhere near enough money and time, and before you get flamed you better do a search.
Budget at least $5000, possibly up to $8000 if you want a T2 swap AND 400whp reliably. This includes engine, fuel, drivetrain, engine management, other supporting mods, and a bunch of incidentals and tools you never thought of. I have spent probably 5 or 6k on a 400whp setup (T04S) on a Turbo II that already had a rebuilt, ported motor. If you really only have $1500 + 300/month, expect this car to be down for over a year. Or scale back the scope of your project. $1500 likely won't even get you a good motor. You need a ton of engine management stuff, fuel mods, supporting suspension mods, tuning, etc.
As far as time, I would budget 5-8 hours a week of wrenching for 6 months, plus 4-5 hours of research per week. I know this sounds rediculous to you but you will be amazed how many times you will encounter a problem such as stripped bolts or the need for custom ****, and that requires parts runs, looking on the forum, calling people for advice, etc. And when you say "fabrication is not a problem" do you mean you can literally fabricate a manifold, exhaust, aluminum intercooler piping, etc? You have at least a MIG and TIG welder, air tools, etc?
If I were you, I would do a full T2 swap but keep the stock turbo or get a hybrid built. That will vastly reduce the amoun of time, money, and fabrication necessary. You can do 220-250rwhp on a stock turbo and get into the low 13's. A smaller hybrid will get you over 300 to the wheels.
The bottom line is, doing a T2 swap and doing a 400whp setup are two completely seperate projects. You could combine them into one but it may just be too much for you to do all at once. Do a basic T2 swap with boltons and supporting mods (fuel pump, injectors) and you may be happy with the car.
Some may argue that I have way inflated estimates here, but I will simply counter that by saying **** always takes at least 3 times longer and 3 times as much money as you think it will.
Budget at least $5000, possibly up to $8000 if you want a T2 swap AND 400whp reliably. This includes engine, fuel, drivetrain, engine management, other supporting mods, and a bunch of incidentals and tools you never thought of. I have spent probably 5 or 6k on a 400whp setup (T04S) on a Turbo II that already had a rebuilt, ported motor. If you really only have $1500 + 300/month, expect this car to be down for over a year. Or scale back the scope of your project. $1500 likely won't even get you a good motor. You need a ton of engine management stuff, fuel mods, supporting suspension mods, tuning, etc.
As far as time, I would budget 5-8 hours a week of wrenching for 6 months, plus 4-5 hours of research per week. I know this sounds rediculous to you but you will be amazed how many times you will encounter a problem such as stripped bolts or the need for custom ****, and that requires parts runs, looking on the forum, calling people for advice, etc. And when you say "fabrication is not a problem" do you mean you can literally fabricate a manifold, exhaust, aluminum intercooler piping, etc? You have at least a MIG and TIG welder, air tools, etc?
If I were you, I would do a full T2 swap but keep the stock turbo or get a hybrid built. That will vastly reduce the amoun of time, money, and fabrication necessary. You can do 220-250rwhp on a stock turbo and get into the low 13's. A smaller hybrid will get you over 300 to the wheels.
The bottom line is, doing a T2 swap and doing a 400whp setup are two completely seperate projects. You could combine them into one but it may just be too much for you to do all at once. Do a basic T2 swap with boltons and supporting mods (fuel pump, injectors) and you may be happy with the car.
Some may argue that I have way inflated estimates here, but I will simply counter that by saying **** always takes at least 3 times longer and 3 times as much money as you think it will.
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Okay, maybe I didn't make myself clear so before you guys start ripping my *** over the internet like twelve-year olds, I am budgeting enough money to do this swap THROUGH the winter. Just the swap for now, and then upgrading stuff later.
I was simply asking for ideas, and you guys need to stop assuming I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I may not know everything, but NEITHER DO YOU. That's why this forum is here, to collaborate several people's knowledge and opinions. I mean damn, I posted this this afternoon and someone's already been an ***. In any case, just give me some HELPFUL info and then be on your way because I have many better places to go and waste my time than with a bunch of sarcastic and unhelpful "enthusiasts."
I was simply asking for ideas, and you guys need to stop assuming I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I may not know everything, but NEITHER DO YOU. That's why this forum is here, to collaborate several people's knowledge and opinions. I mean damn, I posted this this afternoon and someone's already been an ***. In any case, just give me some HELPFUL info and then be on your way because I have many better places to go and waste my time than with a bunch of sarcastic and unhelpful "enthusiasts."
11-18-07, 05:35 PM
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well... get a rebuilt t2 core and spend 2000+ and go from there,
ive spent well over 10 grand on my swap.
the clutch, driveline, flywheel, fuel, fuel pump, stand alone, and random other doo dads will cost you a pretty penny. it can be done for way cheap, but if you wanna go big, your gonna have to pay big. expect to run into allot of problems too.
ive spent well over 10 grand on my swap.
the clutch, driveline, flywheel, fuel, fuel pump, stand alone, and random other doo dads will cost you a pretty penny. it can be done for way cheap, but if you wanna go big, your gonna have to pay big. expect to run into allot of problems too.
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You have budgeted nowhere near enough money and time, and before you get flamed you better do a search.
Budget at least $5000, possibly up to $8000 if you want a T2 swap AND 400whp reliably. This includes engine, fuel, drivetrain, engine management, other supporting mods, and a bunch of incidentals and tools you never thought of. I have spent probably 5 or 6k on a 400whp setup (T04S) on a Turbo II that already had a rebuilt, ported motor. If you really only have $1500 + 300/month, expect this car to be down for over a year. Or scale back the scope of your project. $1500 likely won't even get you a good motor. You need a ton of engine management stuff, fuel mods, supporting suspension mods, tuning, etc.
As far as time, I would budget 5-8 hours a week of wrenching for 6 months, plus 4-5 hours of research per week. I know this sounds rediculous to you but you will be amazed how many times you will encounter a problem such as stripped bolts or the need for custom ****, and that requires parts runs, looking on the forum, calling people for advice, etc. And when you say "fabrication is not a problem" do you mean you can literally fabricate a manifold, exhaust, aluminum intercooler piping, etc? You have at least a MIG and TIG welder, air tools, etc?
If I were you, I would do a full T2 swap but keep the stock turbo or get a hybrid built. That will vastly reduce the amoun of time, money, and fabrication necessary. You can do 220-250rwhp on a stock turbo and get into the low 13's. A smaller hybrid will get you over 300 to the wheels.
The bottom line is, doing a T2 swap and doing a 400whp setup are two completely seperate projects. You could combine them into one but it may just be too much for you to do all at once. Do a basic T2 swap with boltons and supporting mods (fuel pump, injectors) and you may be happy with the car.
Some may argue that I have way inflated estimates here, but I will simply counter that by saying **** always takes at least 3 times longer and 3 times as much money as you think it will.
Budget at least $5000, possibly up to $8000 if you want a T2 swap AND 400whp reliably. This includes engine, fuel, drivetrain, engine management, other supporting mods, and a bunch of incidentals and tools you never thought of. I have spent probably 5 or 6k on a 400whp setup (T04S) on a Turbo II that already had a rebuilt, ported motor. If you really only have $1500 + 300/month, expect this car to be down for over a year. Or scale back the scope of your project. $1500 likely won't even get you a good motor. You need a ton of engine management stuff, fuel mods, supporting suspension mods, tuning, etc.
As far as time, I would budget 5-8 hours a week of wrenching for 6 months, plus 4-5 hours of research per week. I know this sounds rediculous to you but you will be amazed how many times you will encounter a problem such as stripped bolts or the need for custom ****, and that requires parts runs, looking on the forum, calling people for advice, etc. And when you say "fabrication is not a problem" do you mean you can literally fabricate a manifold, exhaust, aluminum intercooler piping, etc? You have at least a MIG and TIG welder, air tools, etc?
If I were you, I would do a full T2 swap but keep the stock turbo or get a hybrid built. That will vastly reduce the amoun of time, money, and fabrication necessary. You can do 220-250rwhp on a stock turbo and get into the low 13's. A smaller hybrid will get you over 300 to the wheels.
The bottom line is, doing a T2 swap and doing a 400whp setup are two completely seperate projects. You could combine them into one but it may just be too much for you to do all at once. Do a basic T2 swap with boltons and supporting mods (fuel pump, injectors) and you may be happy with the car.
Some may argue that I have way inflated estimates here, but I will simply counter that by saying **** always takes at least 3 times longer and 3 times as much money as you think it will.
Okay, THIS was actually prety helpful and I know that what I said was a little vague. I do plan on doing the T2 swap first and then screwing around with it later. I just want to get a better idea of what all other people have done when stuck in a (relatively) similar situation. My ~400 hp goal will not be attained anytime this year and I am fully aware of that, but I don't know ALL of the supporting mods to get me there. I mean, I bought this car for $500 from a friend and I know for a fact it runs well, but I was wanting something more along the lines of a turbo'd rotary. I have an entire machine shop at my disposal so like i said, fabbing stuff isn't much of a problem.
As far as hybrid's go, what would you recommend?
I've got a front mount already so all I need to do to get that finished up is the piping and that's not much of a challenge for me. I do realize the amount of work involved and I do a lot of research about stuff in my down time, so also no problem there.
There are a couple of shops around me locally that have good rep's in the rotary community so if I need info I can look there or get on here and ask some questions too.
What would be a good, reputable localle for picking up the T2 motor & tranny?
All actual info is welcome.
I'm looking for ideas that I haven't thought of yet so I'm pretty open.
Thanks.
11-18-07, 05:45 PM
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Okay, maybe I didn't make myself clear so before you guys start ripping my *** over the internet like twelve-year olds, I am budgeting enough money to do this swap THROUGH the winter. Just the swap for now, and then upgrading stuff later.
I was simply asking for ideas, and you guys need to stop assuming I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I may not know everything, but NEITHER DO YOU. That's why this forum is here, to collaborate several people's knowledge and opinions. I mean damn, I posted this this afternoon and someone's already been an ***. In any case, just give me some HELPFUL info and then be on your way because I have many better places to go and waste my time than with a bunch of sarcastic and unhelpful "enthusiasts."
I was simply asking for ideas, and you guys need to stop assuming I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I may not know everything, but NEITHER DO YOU. That's why this forum is here, to collaborate several people's knowledge and opinions. I mean damn, I posted this this afternoon and someone's already been an ***. In any case, just give me some HELPFUL info and then be on your way because I have many better places to go and waste my time than with a bunch of sarcastic and unhelpful "enthusiasts."
lets see for 400hp you are going to need...
turbo motor - $2000 - $4000
turbo - $800-$2000
turbo manifold - $300-$1000
fuel - $500-$1500
standalone - $800-$1500
FMIC / piping - $500 - $1000
BOV - $100-$200
radiator - $200-$500
clutch/flywheel - $500-$1000
turbo tranny/rear end/axels - $500
if you cant build/tune all of this yourself then factor in another $1000+ to have it done for you.
as you can see trying to make 400hp with your budget/knowledge on the subject is NOT going to happen.
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you want some HELPFUL info? search the forum before posting. this is the most commonly asked question on the forum. if you ask silly questions be prepared for silly answers.
lets see for 400hp you are going to need...
turbo motor - $2000 - $4000
turbo - $800-$2000
turbo manifold - $300-$1000
fuel - $500-$1500
standalone - $800-$1500
FMIC / piping - $500 - $1000
BOV - $100-$200
radiator - $200-$500
clutch/flywheel - $500-$1000
turbo tranny/rear end/axels - $500
if you cant build/tune all of this yourself then factor in another $1000+ to have it done for you.
as you can see trying to make 400hp with your budget/knowledge on the subject is NOT going to happen.
lets see for 400hp you are going to need...
turbo motor - $2000 - $4000
turbo - $800-$2000
turbo manifold - $300-$1000
fuel - $500-$1500
standalone - $800-$1500
FMIC / piping - $500 - $1000
BOV - $100-$200
radiator - $200-$500
clutch/flywheel - $500-$1000
turbo tranny/rear end/axels - $500
if you cant build/tune all of this yourself then factor in another $1000+ to have it done for you.
as you can see trying to make 400hp with your budget/knowledge on the subject is NOT going to happen.
Okay new restraint.
NO BUDGET.
I've got some of the stuff already like the bov and fmic and I have no problems fabricating a turbo manifold.
BTW, my budget was originally for JUST THE T2 SWAP and I can always add about 200 more per month.
I can build the stuff myself and I know quite a few people who can tune it for next to nothing.
I DO plan on doing the T2 swap first in the spring once I have all my stuff together.
Then, I'll be gradually building it up from there.
So I appriciate your help and I will keep searching for stuff.
11-18-07, 06:40 PM
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well, I would start with the drivetrain:
get a nice clutch/flywheel, TII drivetrain (tranny->rear end, search for all necessary components.), also look into the TII brakes. You should have killed most of your 1500 bux.
Install the new drivetrain and use your $200/month (100 into savings) to save for the next mod:
suspension?
wheels/tires?
TII motor + rest of swap parts?
I would prepare the entire car for the swap and then just install the motor last. This way you get to slowly build the motor whiile you drive the NA around and getting used to the car.
get a nice clutch/flywheel, TII drivetrain (tranny->rear end, search for all necessary components.), also look into the TII brakes. You should have killed most of your 1500 bux.
Install the new drivetrain and use your $200/month (100 into savings) to save for the next mod:
suspension?
wheels/tires?
TII motor + rest of swap parts?
I would prepare the entire car for the swap and then just install the motor last. This way you get to slowly build the motor whiile you drive the NA around and getting used to the car.
11-18-07, 08:04 PM
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I bought a clip for 3000 and a microTech for a 1000 and my swap went pretty well. My car was an auto so fabbing my own tranny mount and swapping out the front harness (cause mines a RHD) was about the two hardest things i had to do. My swap was probably alot more complicated i dunno. in all i spend around 8,000
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well, I would start with the drivetrain:
get a nice clutch/flywheel, TII drivetrain (tranny->rear end, search for all necessary components.), also look into the TII brakes. You should have killed most of your 1500 bux.
Install the new drivetrain and use your $200/month (100 into savings) to save for the next mod:
suspension?
wheels/tires?
TII motor + rest of swap parts?
I would prepare the entire car for the swap and then just install the motor last. This way you get to slowly build the motor whiile you drive the NA around and getting used to the car.
get a nice clutch/flywheel, TII drivetrain (tranny->rear end, search for all necessary components.), also look into the TII brakes. You should have killed most of your 1500 bux.
Install the new drivetrain and use your $200/month (100 into savings) to save for the next mod:
suspension?
wheels/tires?
TII motor + rest of swap parts?
I would prepare the entire car for the swap and then just install the motor last. This way you get to slowly build the motor whiile you drive the NA around and getting used to the car.
good suggestions.
I am working on getting more money so I can do this a little faster than I anticipated when I first got the preleminatry ideas.
Thanks man.
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