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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 05:50 AM
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torque?

so if my fc has 138 torque at 3800 rpm how much torque do i have up hi like 6300 6500 rpm. do you lose alot and its all hp after 3800 or do you only lose a lil? please help
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 06:30 AM
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you only would lose a tiny bit, the curve on my dyno seemed pretty flat, i have a full exhaust on my NA though

i ended up peaking torque at about 5400 rpm though, and between 4500-6500 the torque was still within 5 ft/lbs of the peak
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 06:31 AM
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how much did that full exhast help hp wise
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 06:34 AM
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i didnt have a base line dyno,

but i dynoed 133 hp ant 115 ft/lbs, with an engine with quite alot of miles, over 150K prolly,its a pretty worn engine. compression was around 90 all around.
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 06:37 AM
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isnt it suposed to have like 120 to be ok and lik140150 great?
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 06:43 AM
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the factory rated hp is 146 ,

dynoing to the wheels from the factory it would put between 110-120 brand new.

with the low compression my motor had id say it was probably making about 105 if i dynoed it stock.
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 06:45 AM
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i was talking compression my bad like 120s ok and 140 150 is great 90 realy shity right
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 06:58 AM
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no 120 is great and 140 or 150 would be a high compression 240sx or something around there.
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 06:59 AM
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so what normal then lik 110?
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 07:09 AM
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Torque normally falls off as the engine approaches redline.
This is just the normal dynamics and physics of the internal combustion engine.
There are tricks to keep the torque up - i.e. VDI, switching short / long runners, etc., but torque tends to fall on the top end.

Sorry, but if you want "gobs of torque", you need to go forced induction or more displacement.


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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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a stock engine making 146 HP at 6500 rpm is making 118 lb-ft of torque at that same 6500 rpm. HP is a function of torque. HP, Torque, and RPM. take any two and you can find out the third
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Torque normally falls off as the engine approaches redline.
This is just the normal dynamics and physics of the internal combustion engine.
There are tricks to keep the torque up - i.e. VDI, switching short / long runners, etc., but torque tends to fall on the top end.

Sorry, but if you want "gobs of torque", you need to go forced induction or more displacement.


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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 02:37 PM
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Torque??? Whats that?
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Green_Streak
a stock engine making 146 HP at 6500 rpm is making 118 lb-ft of torque at that same 6500 rpm. HP is a function of torque. HP, Torque, and RPM. take any two and you can find out the third
I don'tr think you could find rpm from only tourque and hp numbers could you
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mraxz-d7a
so what normal then lik 110?
127HP is the baseline number for a good engine (according to Kahren).
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 05:28 PM
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I don'tr think you could find rpm from only tourque and hp numbers could you
Yes, you can. Hp is torque times RPM/5252,
so if H=horespower, T=torque, and R=RPMs, then
H=T*(R/5252)
From this you can get that R=(H/T)*5252
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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 03:28 AM
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which is why the torque and hp curves on all dyno graphs should cross at 5252 rpm, because (5252/5252) equals one, and so horsepower will always equal torque at that specific rpm.
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Originally Posted by 7romanstatesmen
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which is why the torque and hp curves on all dyno graphs should cross at 5252 rpm, because (5252/5252) equals one, and so horsepower will always equal torque at that specific rpm.
That is correct IF the torque and hp scales are exactly the same.
Some DynoJet graphs like to scale different torque and hp axes, so be careful about this.


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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 12:38 PM
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As long as we're on the subject here, just a little fyi for anyone that doesn't know; Peak Torque ALWAYS occurs at Peak Volumetric Efficiency. Given that, it's easy to understand why Turbo/Supercharging help out Torque alot.
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Old Dec 31, 2005 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
That is correct IF the torque and hp scales are exactly the same.
Some DynoJet graphs like to scale different torque and hp axes, so be careful about this.


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alright, that's good to know, so as not become suspicious whenever they don't cross at that point
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Old Jan 6, 2006 | 10:28 PM
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sorry but i don't get it, well it's not that i don't get it just the math isn't working out. Lets go with the new passat it has 276hp at 6200 and 266lb-ft at 2750 so if R=(H/T)*5252 then R=(276/266)*5252 that equals 5449.44 which is niether the rpm of the HP or Torque, Assuming it did work out right would R be the rpm of the HP or torque? even with H=T*(R/5252) Then H=266*(6200/5252) that would mean 314hp unless you ment r is the rpm or the torque in which case H=266*(2750/5252) and that would mean 139.28hp
not trying to be a dick just trying to figure out why it won't work for me
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