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08-29-05, 08:09 AM
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tie rods..
im looking for some reputable tie rods for the FC i noticed JIC nor Tien make them for the FC so then who does? if anyone has any ideas let me know please becuase id like to order them this friday
08-29-05, 03:25 PM
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couldnt seem to find tierods...at RB BUT yea i noticed the mazdatrix ones a while back as well..those seem OEM replacement though...i was hoping for aftermarket unless the oem **** is that good then im totally game!
08-29-05, 08:38 PM
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What performance gains do aftermarket tie rods give you?
Are they stronger?
Stock ones rarely fail unless you're hitting stuff!
Are you looking for more turning angle?
10 cent washer do the same thing for less money...
-Ted
Are they stronger?
Stock ones rarely fail unless you're hitting stuff!
Are you looking for more turning angle?
10 cent washer do the same thing for less money...
-Ted
08-29-05, 09:22 PM
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What performance gains do aftermarket tie rods give you?
Are they stronger?
Stock ones rarely fail unless you're hitting stuff!
Are you looking for more turning angle?
10 cent washer do the same thing for less money...
-Ted
Are they stronger?
Stock ones rarely fail unless you're hitting stuff!
Are you looking for more turning angle?
10 cent washer do the same thing for less money...
-Ted
With that said stick with the stockers, they are perfectly unless you plan to do any off roading, or like it was mentioned before quit hitting things.
As for the angle, by using the 10 cent washers you are scarificing thread engagment, the las thing you want is for a tie rod to fall off do to lack of thread engagment. Do it the safe and rigth way by purcshing the SuperNow steering angle kit, its not worth potentially loosing a life over a few 10 cent washers.
08-29-05, 11:47 PM
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The washers allow you to go at least 0.25" of shimming.
0.3" is absolute most you can do this without losing integrity of the threads; this was told to me by a well-known FC drifter on the professional circuit.
1/4" might no sound like much, but it gives at least 5 more degrees of turning angle.
On average it's between 5 and 10 degrees of increased turning angle.
Option2 magazine of Japan has also reported this in one of their articles.
-Ted
0.3" is absolute most you can do this without losing integrity of the threads; this was told to me by a well-known FC drifter on the professional circuit.
1/4" might no sound like much, but it gives at least 5 more degrees of turning angle.
On average it's between 5 and 10 degrees of increased turning angle.
Option2 magazine of Japan has also reported this in one of their articles.
-Ted
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08-30-05, 07:10 AM
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The washers allow you to go at least 0.25" of shimming.
0.3" is absolute most you can do this without losing integrity of the threads; this was told to me by a well-known FC drifter on the professional circuit.
1/4" might no sound like much, but it gives at least 5 more degrees of turning angle.
On average it's between 5 and 10 degrees of increased turning angle.
Option2 magazine of Japan has also reported this in one of their articles.
-Ted
0.3" is absolute most you can do this without losing integrity of the threads; this was told to me by a well-known FC drifter on the professional circuit.
1/4" might no sound like much, but it gives at least 5 more degrees of turning angle.
On average it's between 5 and 10 degrees of increased turning angle.
Option2 magazine of Japan has also reported this in one of their articles.
-Ted
Ted, I am curious who this FC drifter was that told you that.
I do not see where you are getting the 10 degrees from, maybe the front end was mislaigned? The max you can get with stock wheels 7 degrees, I cannot remember the max tire width, but if its to wide it will rub ont he frame rail and sway bar. Naturally with different offsets, spacers, tire/wheel sizes that can increase or decrease.
08-30-05, 07:27 AM
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i c well yes it was about steering angle and this poormans steering angle increase is safe or not.. i guess mazdatrix is the place....should i order new tierods and ends or should i reuse the old tierods and get new ends? i dunno it just sounds better to completly start from scratch...thanks for the input...at taht point ill give washer thing a try...would victoria british have them if so are they usually cheaper than mazdatrix? im trying to get bang for the buck at this point
08-30-05, 05:13 PM
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Thats actually a nice price for the kit, it looks like they are now just repackaging the SuperNow kit (noted by the blue aluminum tubes) the SuperNow is $265 for the street kit and $325 for the race kit.
If you are looking for more steering angle an want to use the oe rods and rod ends, I sell just the spacer for $70, www.secretelement.com . Its a direct bolt on to the oe rack.
If you are looking for more steering angle an want to use the oe rods and rod ends, I sell just the spacer for $70, www.secretelement.com . Its a direct bolt on to the oe rack.
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08-31-05, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by eyecandy
Ted, I am curious who this FC drifter was that told you that.
I do not see where you are getting the 10 degrees from, maybe the front end was mislaigned? The max you can get with stock wheels 7 degrees, I cannot remember the max tire width, but if its to wide it will rub ont he frame rail and sway bar. Naturally with different offsets, spacers, tire/wheel sizes that can increase or decrease.
Rubbing with stock offset wheels is kinda a given.
Anyone who has been doing this for a while will understand why.
Hell, it took me a lot of brain bashing to figure out how some godamn washer could induce more angle. :P
It really has nothing to do with how wide the tires are.
It has everything to do with rim offset.
-Ted
08-31-05, 08:13 AM
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Funny, I already got some guy who emailed me who knows who I am talking about.
Yes, it's typically 7 degrees, but I was giving a range.
Rubbing with stock offset wheels is kinda a given.
Anyone who has been doing this for a while will understand why.
Hell, it took me a lot of brain bashing to figure out how some godamn washer could induce more angle. :P
It really has nothing to do with how wide the tires are.
It has everything to do with rim offset.
-Ted
Yes, it's typically 7 degrees, but I was giving a range.
Rubbing with stock offset wheels is kinda a given.
Anyone who has been doing this for a while will understand why.
Hell, it took me a lot of brain bashing to figure out how some godamn washer could induce more angle. :P
It really has nothing to do with how wide the tires are.
It has everything to do with rim offset.
-Ted
Ted, so who is the driver?
If using the stock rims/offset, and adding wider tires would cause them to rub, or rub more, but if you change the offset naturally that would not matter, typically all that is taken in to consideration.
I believe its actually about 1/8 of washers can be added, before you effect the threads which is give you about 3 degrees more. One of the problems is getting proper alignment of the washers on the tie rods.
09-02-05, 06:59 AM
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I guess this "well-known FC drifter on the professional circuit" is nameless then? You are not going to share his name?
I know of only two professionals that run FCs, both who are running spacers, one is my spacer kit and the other is SuperNows steering kit.
I know of only two professionals that run FCs, both who are running spacers, one is my spacer kit and the other is SuperNows steering kit.
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diggin it up from the grave! and i must say pro FC drifters? what circut are these pros racing on?? i dont see any pros in this acclaimed"formula D" and the only FC i ever seen drifting pro is that silly BNsports FC that wrecks all the time...and is in D1...so i wanna know what other pro circut is there that im not in on....??? or is it cuz im in texas...and thats why everything here is weaksauce.....
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Originally Posted by RETed
Yes, it's typically 7 degrees, but I was giving a range.
Rubbing with stock offset wheels is kinda a given.
Anyone who has been doing this for a while will understand why.
Hell, it took me a lot of brain bashing to figure out how some godamn washer could induce more angle. :P
It really has nothing to do with how wide the tires are.
It has everything to do with rim offset.
-Ted
Rubbing with stock offset wheels is kinda a given.
Anyone who has been doing this for a while will understand why.
Hell, it took me a lot of brain bashing to figure out how some godamn washer could induce more angle. :P
It really has nothing to do with how wide the tires are.
It has everything to do with rim offset.
-Ted
So I was wondering what offset would be benificial for more turning angle since I still don't quite understand how this "added washers helps with angle" stuff.
Like what wheels should I look for? A smaller width wheel than stock like a 16X6 with like a 46mm offset. That would put it in the middle of the fenderwell and away from everything else. Or does the width of the wheel even matter and it's all just dependent on the offset. What are you trying not to hit?
11-06-05, 10:35 PM
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and i wanna know how to put my spacer kit on i have had them for 6 monhts or more but i cant get my tie rods to come off that racks....
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