When you have no power you have to be cruel

I found 2nd gear to be perfect for drifting for me, at the speeds I choose to drift at... like I said I'm still a total newbie and I wouldn't feel confortable hanging it all out on a high speed corner. I don't think you understood what I meant about clutch dropping either.... you're rolling at about 30mph and the clutch is down and the engine is idling, then you start to turn in and you release the clutch, the deceleration shocks the rear tires and swings the back end out.

4-wheel drifts.... that's not "drifting" really... drifting is more about style and hanving fun, 4-wheel drift is simply cornering at the limit of traction

 

lol, that's exactly what I was envisioning... This is NOT what mazda had in mine when they designed your tranny. But I don't know, the reason I frown on it is that it kind of strikes me as cheating. But I have heard LOTS of stories about people who destroyed one thing or another clutch kicking their way around turns. It's better just to do it the old fashioned way!

Steve

P.S. 4-wheel inertial drift is the ONLY way to go!

 

Yea but not everyone has complete control over the weight balance of thier car. That is a skill only time can develop. (I don't like high speed inertial drifting anyways, I have only done it once by accident coming off the drag strip at 70 MPH and having to drift to not die. But what if the tires were to blow out at that speed...BANG dead...)

Stupid sticky brake pedel caused me to not be able to slow down for the 180 degree turn off the strip, but I'll tell ya, nothing feels cooler because if feels so smooth and at the end of it you don't know wtf you just did...I have been trying to learn this technique ever since then, but have spun out a lot....having the threat of death makes you better at something.

 

4-wheel drifts are EASY, mate! After you set the chassis you control the attitude with the throttle - power on to make the arc wider, let off to tighten the line.

I've taken gentle Interstate bends in a 4-wheel drift Not much traction in the rain at ~115mph! But it's soooo controllable!

DriftING on the other hand, that's a whole nother story!

 

 

ive never tried drifting with my eclipse awd, is it possible. i always thought there was too much grip, i can barley get the tires to peel, it just jumps forwad and hauls ***. (still cant wait for the 7 to be fixed)

89 rx7 t2
92 eclipse gsx

 

Man I see lots of things being said out here about how do induce drifts and sustain drifts and so on.........

for the record. Clutch kicking is the original, old fashioned way to start and maintain the drift line. I see lots of people saying 2nd gear is the best. I was that way for a long time if your driving a turbo then try 3rd gear almost same speed in the corner, ill bet it is easier to drive.

somebody said revs=boost=donuts. This is not true. Revs do not equal boost. Put your back tires on some ice or in something really slippery and nail the gas, you will not make much boost at all. Load= boost. I understand what you are meaning because normally is you dumped the clutch at high RPM the car would spin easily and the power would be hard to control. Whether you clutch kick or not depends on the turn and the road and tires and how much power you have.

Other people were talking about downshifting without matchin Revs. This is called Shiftlock, and there are many uses for this too. The biggest being mainitaing the line around a long high speed increasing radius turn.

These are all techniques that if you were to compete you would be tested on.

Braking
Power over
Shift lock
Side brake
Accel off
Faint

I would like to help clear up a lot of the confusion but it just takes too much time and space here, and the best way is to try things.

 

AWD is driftable for sure... the DSM is tuned for massive understeer from the factory though - you really need to do something about all that positive camber in the front, and stiffen the rear suspension or remove the front swaybar. Be a lot nicer if you could lock the center diff, it gives you more control that way, but you can't do that unless you have an older Subaru like mine

 

kicking the clutch puts alo of stress on the drivetrain causing lots of problems later on in ur cars life. once u get used to ur car with kicking the clutch, u should try weight shifting using brake, heel-toe, good steering. this will make ur drifts alot faster without putting much stress in tranny etc. drifting is fun but becareful of trees..... =( my 91 recently passed away in the canyons.... good luck!

 

I'm very much aware of that fact, but once you let the clutch back out, what do you do? Put a LOAD on the engine. At 4k in anything other than 5th gear, my car is at 1 bar. That=donuts.

 

I understand what you are saying. I agree. However what I am saying is that this is not a clutch drop it is a kick, you control it, provide just enough shock to the driveline to induce the tire spin you need.

If you have gobs of power you wont use this technique as often but some corners you will want this down.

does your car make enough power to stick the *** end out at 65-70 MPH into a slightly banked left hand turn? My car puts down 300 horses and I use a clutch kick at Ebisu in the same type of corner other wise it will not come out.

Drifting was born of racers who had no money so most of them had low power cars and clutch kicks are a way to keep the speed or make up for lack of power. Nowadays Drift has grown and folks are doing it in 5-600HP cars so that changes things.

 

So what? When stuff breaks, upgrade it.

Oh? I heard it was a racer who, when leading the race by a good margin, would slide around in the corners to show off to the spectators.

Drifting has NOTHING to do with going faster. In fact, it's often a very slow way to get around a corner...

 

For all the drift haters: It's not always about who's faster. Stick to grip style driving if that's your bag but don't discount drifting because it's not the fastest way.

Catch WRC on SpeedChannel and tell me that sliding not the best way around a corner in sloppy conditions to keep the speed up. But on tarmac it usually isn't. Different conditions require different techniques. Or imagine a regular racetrack. Sure, there's the theoretical perfect line around each corner that the best way around is grip. Now imagine that another driver gets in your way and you have to change your line or there'll be some nasty twisted metal. There's more than one way around every corner. Sometimes drifting is the best. It's just another tool for a driver to use. The phrase (or something like it) slow in, fast out or fast in, spin out was coined by somebody that didn't have a well stocked toolbox.

peejay: I bet that driver got the crowd going big time. Give them something to watch. You're right, don't replace it when you can upgrade it. If people are worried about breaking parts then maybe sports cars aren't for them. There is always the bus....

jerk_racer@hotmail.com

 

What is clutch kicking?

 

clutch kick<<basically kick the clutch, disengage then quicklt reengage. Breaks rear traction.
Maintaince is a must with performace cars anyways.
Hey at least Im not building my engine every 2 months like real racers. A clutch, new u joints are pretty minor.
Plus buy tires used or get bald *** ones for almost free.
Drifting really is cheap. Racer left overs!

 

Oh Steve Ive been working on sundays. The last AutoX I tried to catch was BSSC they were full so I left. Stupid people. Ill catch another when I get back from Japan. Hope to see you there, maybe Ill have my 90TII there with my oh........ LSD!!!!
Hell yeah. Maybe theyll have a good laugh on me. spin out<<<<<

 

Oh the misinformation...

I wish I could save this thread, but I'm not feeling up to typing the massive survey that would be required.

Yes, I drift. Yes, I know what's happening with the car while I'm drifting. It all comes down to balance.

If there are any specific questions please ask and I'll answer them.

 

hehe, drifting is fun. I just need to get better at it