cloudlight69

i was cruisin the rx vids in this forum and noticed one that the guy claims to have supercharged his rx! is this possible? what kind of repercussions would this have on my engine? is it recommended? i have been told not to bother with a turbo upgrade on my 86 NA GXL, as it would be very costly and i would be better off just buying a used TII instead. but if this supercharger is a feasable option then i am all systems go for it!
thx
cloudlight

beefhole

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No, not really...

Dom_C

Cheap, Fast, Reliable . ..choose two of the three. Your 86 n/a can be supercharged very easily with a kit, but that will be expensive. If you have alot of patients, and fab skills, you can make a custom kit. . but will still cost you if you want it done right. These threads really discourage me, if someone has to ask if it's possable to supercharge an internal combustion engine, and what will happen if they do. . they should drive a honda. Not saying they are ricers, just saying they need something that they don't need to think about how the thing works all they have to do is get in and drive everyday with no worries.
Dom

SonicRaT

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If you feel like wasting a whole lot of money on nothing more than some noise, go ahead. The 'kit' available right now sucks more than I care to describe in this thread, simply put, stay FAR AWAY!

SayNoToPistons

Pianoprodigy supercharged his FC, someone used a mazda millenia miller engine s/c on their fc, its not impossible. just not worth it IMO...

cloudlight69

hey now. dont slander because i am asking questions. it makes sense that if you dont know about something and you want to, well then you ask, no? i may not be the most mechanically apt person out there (although i know enough), and i am even more alien to the rotary engine. i have not met nor heard of anyone reliable within my area to help answer my discouraging questions. i want to KNOW my car, what it is capable of, what it can do, not just get in and drive everyday without worries. i want to the most bang for my buck (doesnt everyone?) and figured that the knowledgable people in this forum could probably point me in the right direction. it seems to me, that you started to give me a rundown on this kit you speak of, but somewhere along the way you veered off to lament about threads people in the not-know submit.
thx anyways

Dom_C

Yea sorry about that, but this same style thread comes up every other day it seems. I hate to say this, and it is my fist time doing so, but search! There is a search function for this forum in the upper right hand quarter. There is alot of usful information about supercharging. Don't just search for 5 minutes and give up, searching takes time to get useable results. The kits are expensive and don't result in big gains. . thatg's all I know about the kit

cloudlight69

thx dom
we all good

Dom_C

good good

SonicRaT

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Depends on which 'kit' really, the paxton kit can make a good 230whp for about $1500-2000 or so, that's not too bad. The Camden kit just sucks, and I won't even get into that. Doing it yourself has a couple of options, either you hold out and try to find a good charger (such as a twin-screw, ie autorotor, millenia S, whipple, etc) at a good price and fabricate one, or you go out and spend an arm and a leg on a new setup, and you can get very good results. If you try to do it cheap and quick, you usually end up with a roots blower or centrifugal, centrifugal to me is pointless since it's powerband resembles a turbo in that it builds progressively. Roots blowers are so god awful inefficient they're not very effective on a rotary. (This covers both my your reply and some of the costs of kits, and the title at hand, just so ya know)

jpd3253

Here's the link to the parts list and estimated costs necessary to replicate the Nelson / Paxton kit.

http://www.geocities.com/boatseason/sc-parts-list.xls

IMO, a consideration on adding boost that is lightly discussed is the condition of the engine and cost. Meaning, are you gong to add boost to an engine with, for the sake of discussion, has a 100,000+ miles? So, if you look at the cost of the head unit, various SC components, TII drive train, and a potential engine rebuild, along with the original cost of the 2nd Gen. N/A, the costs for the project rapidly escalate to a point where a nice TII could be purchased.

Tech_Greek

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It's a very fun route, and expensive route to go Supercharged...besides the Rotary is about being different anyway, why go the convential way of a turbo! Who cares about 90000 Gazllion RWHP

SonicRaT

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90% of the people on this forum. You're forgetting that not only can a turbo beat it in WHP, but the entire torque curve as well. $4k to be unique (when really it's only unique and impressive to people who don't know any better), you might as well have converted to RHD, it's just as useless and just as unique!

Tech_Greek

I seriously doubt a turbo can beat the instant boost of a Supercharger...and RWHP, that's why I said who cares...it's just a different way of doing things and just recently I discovered some truth behind those mystic people who claimed they only made 200 HP...another place another time

cool_as_crap

how long have you had your s/c Tech_Greek? have any problems with it?

SonicRaT

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Claim? There's well over 10 dyno sheets from everybody with that blower showing considerably less than 200whp. Only one shows more than that, and it definatly isn't install or tuning error. And if you doubt it, go browse around and take a look at some of the GT35R dynos, they have more torque at 2K rpm than the Camden charger does, and they're making over 400whp, and that's with a relatively large turbo...

Tech_Greek

I couldn't honestly tell you the start date, but for a few months...the only problems I've had where due to my screw ups so I'd have to fix them...

SonicRaT

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Except for the charger imploding, unless you're going to try to blame yourself for that.

Tech_Greek

There's another reason why it did that which I don't feel like going into, because I'm tired of arguing with people about why my car isn't a 2000 RWHP Turbo Drag Beast

Aaron Cake

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Stock turbo on a 6 port engine will make > 8 PSI at 2000 RPM and more horsepower for way less money. And doesn't have the idle issues the Camden kit has...For what it's worth...

ddub

This supercharger vs. turbo bs is getting old. Actually it's not getting old, it's been old for months.

If you want to s/c, do it who cares. If you want to turbo, do it. But turbo SO FAR is better overall than any s/c "kit" out there. Can a s/c setup be better? Sure, but is there a kit or have many people done it? Absolutely not.

Tech, you should stop being so bitter. You ask for people to jump all over you by certain claims you throw around all over the forum. If you like it, then cool good for you, just shut up about it.

Tech_Greek

I've never claimed anything, people ask should they supercharger their car and then you get bad mouthers every single time - it's old...it's not like your stoping Camden's buisness they have walk-in's every day.

I dunno why the turbo is by far the better kit, theres no turbo kit now is there...so that automatically rules it out - SonicRAT's kit is crap, point blank as theres no complete peices in it.

I wasn't being bitter, just getting tired of people bad mouthing something they 1) Don't have 2) Never will...

It's kind of like me saying, I hate Ferraris but because I don't have one I could argue the charecteristics of it all day and complain about the camber or blahblah and you guys would call me an idiot, now reverse the situation and all of a sudden everyone who hasnt ever owned one is RIGHT and I'm always wrong, and the people who designed them...oh yeah lets not forget they are always wrong too!

ddub

Well not to start a flame war here, but I've heard from you, from other people that you talk to, and from people pointing stuff out on the forum that you claim "low 14's easy" and even 13's a few times, the fact you "beat" 350z's all the time, etc. You even posted a "race" video of you launching on a 350z that clearly wasn't launching, and then you stopped the video after the first few seconds, didn't even show the rest, and called that wasting it.

Because it is, period. Unless you compare it to better chargers like some good whipples, etc, but those aren't exactly cheap.

No there is no kit for the turbos, but its very easy to go turbo so why need a kit? And why are you saying the kit sonic was selling is crap? Ever seen one in person? Ever driven a car with it? Ever seen pictures of it even? Then you have no opinion.

And before you try and say the same stuff to me, yes I've driven a camden charged rx7, a couple of them actually, yes I've seen more than a handfull of the kits installed in real life, yes I've experienced them. I still say a turbo is a far better choice, but that's besides the point of this thread.

Maybe that's for the better... And this is coming from the person that puts his car up for sale every other week, and has bitched and moaned about how "terrible" rx7's are and how rotaries suck so bad. I've seen the convos, kind of amusing

Whatever dude, it's fine if you like it like I said. But camden chargers are not that great, point blank. They work, there is a kit, I'll give you that, but they are not efficient chargers. You should not need a 1-1.5k+ rpm idle or have drag being created at idle.

Tech_Greek

Actually, yes he was launching every time - he squealed the tires just like me...

The whole reason I didn't waste with any moreo f that video is because I put the 10 PSI Pulley on and didn't have the fuel to support it, so it would hesitate (indicating a loose about 90 MPH into the race).

Exactly, and I can guarntee you've never driven a car that had it profesionally installed, I'm not saying mine is done perfect, thats obvious - but every single persons install that I've seen minus one has been ghettoed in one way or another, making it void.

And no, I don't really think SonicRAT's kit is crap, I was using it as an example...someone is making bolt on power, Turbos are not bolt on to an RX7 - period unless its already a TII.

You have never seen my convos, and that's wrong if you're going through my PM's on here...I've never said Rotarys suck, or how terrible they are, they have design flaws that need to be fixed nuff' said.

The reason I'm selling the car is because I have at least one fucktard like you IM'img me a day telling me what my car will never be, and that it's crap, blahblah...exactly the opposite of what I knew of the Rotary Community when I first joined it two years ago...face it every sane person who drives an RX7 throws a flaming X on this club to keep away from it as it's filled with so many ignorant inknowledable people who flame people who give the right advice...

The Camden Supercharger is great for a daily driver - point blank...I'm not going to answer any more replies to this thread.

SonicRaT

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The camden blew up for the exact same reason all of the others have, the pulley they were giving overspun the charger. However, not all installs were ghetto rigged. Yours was ghetto rigged at your request simply because A) you needed to drive it B) you wanted it done and C) I did the best I could with what was available, had all of the parts actually arrived we wouldn't of had half the issues we did.

The camden kit isn't exactly good for a daily driver. You always have to run 93, the milage will never beat a turbo, stupidly high intake temps, etc. My kit is only as complete as somebody wants it to, if they want me to provide them EVERYTHING to make it bolt on, then I can, (though unless you fork over money for new parts, i'll just simply locate a used turbo and such for you). So, in effect, it can be completely bolt-on no hassle just as much as the Camden setup, producing more torque and peak power as well.