Tico

I have a 1989 N/A GXL, I want force induction in this car? What do you guys think about this setup?

1- Racing Beat Holley Carb
2- Camden Supercharger
3- Racing Beat Heaters and Full Exhaust

This should be around 3K plus the exhaust, which in my case I already have. This to me at least. looks cheaper than buying a JDM Turbo Motor and Trani, or buying a new Turbo II car. Please tell me what you think

Thanks

Kenteth

hmm... its been covered... I guess if you really want an SC this isn't to bad. Alot of money for less than 250 hp though.

You could buy a tii motor and mods that would put out ~300+ for that money...

Tico

Any idea whrere I can find a TII Motor and Transmission? I have looked at JDM Importers, but the problem is the warranty and time for delivery, I have also looked at Turbo IIs in Auto Trader, most of them for more than 4K

powrdby13B

umm junkyard?

coldfire

iTrader: (1)

yes, the moto of the rx7club:

"just get a turbo dude"

BlaCkPlaGUE

Psshhht, **** the T2 motor and its weak 4 ports, leave your N/A in there. First off, with just the camden, you can expect 300rwhp (thats what they said) with the N/A engine. Add the carb and you'll get a bit more as long as your exhaust is pretty decent.

That setup there would be real real nice, and generate over 300hp no prob.

You'll want the T2 motor if you want to push more boost because of the lower compression. I say keep the N/A block tho, it has more potential if you add the right parts.

Kenteth

they said it puts out 300+ hp?

Tico

I like the idea of a Turbo II Engine and transmission, but man! it is hard to find a cheap TurboII Engine and Transmission, then more than likely I will have to rebuild the engine and upgrade the Turbo, because the Stock Turbo II Engine 1988 and older has only 184HP, my 89 N/A has 160HP. Does anyone knows where can I find a Turbo II engine and Trani, not the Junk yard. Thanks.

snub disphenoid

The car won't be smooth at all.

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

The 300rwhp on the camden is definatly unproven, and most likely false. It'd be more around 250 at most.

snub disphenoid

Yeah 300hp is not gonna happen. I'm gonna be running 8psi on an upgraded fuel system and I'm not expecting much more than ~210rwhp. According to the site I'll be around 240-250rwhp, but we'll see whenever I get dyno time.

BlaCkPlaGUE

Please do, it'd be nice to see the numbers.

bingoboy

now if there was a cooling method with the camden, like a way to stick a good aftercooler in there, i think that would be exciting. cooling the intake charge with a fuel spray seems like a really minimalist approach.

coldfire

iTrader: (1)

how about a water injection kit? seems like a simple enough solution if it is going to be hard to stick an intercooler in there for now...

shiftnmadkwik

depending on hood clearance it shouldnt be too hard to fab an air/air or air/water cooler for the camden. i wonder how much clearence there is?

RX7FROMCAL

doing the t11 swap is nice , and u will have to search the net or junk yard for that stuff cool, i went the sc way, for me that was better plus i live in california so when i have to smog its more easy for me to pull a sc then turbo enigine. but thats just me i, did the sc with the walbro fuel pump and bigger injectors . good luck in what ever you deside!!! will have dyno slip up next week hopfully to see what its really puting out. cyaaaaaa

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

but the tII engine can pass emissions without having to be pulled.

shiftnmadkwik

any car can pass emissions with the right stuff.. its that visual inspection that he should be worried about

by the way i keep forgetting to ask who makes that strut tower brace

bingoboy

seeing as how dan atkins said there wasn't room for the supercharger under the hood of a first gen i can imagine that thing must be up pretty high. as for the cooler (disregarding clearance) i think it would be a royal pain to use with the kit. i mean they have a premade manifold to connect the TB to the S/C and then another custom manifold connecting the S/C to the block. where in that you would hook up piping for a cooler is beyond me unless you fabbed up yet another manifold to replace the one between the S/C and the block. If you can fab up stuff well enough to pipe in an aftercooler for the S/C i think it would be more in your interest to put together your own setup entirely.

ddub

The 2nd gen forum has gone supercharger crazy, jeez.

coldfire

iTrader: (1)

yeah, it's going to make me retract my statements against people who say "just turbo it dude"...

looks like it is going to be "just SC it dude"


seriously though, a lot of people are still talk...haven't seen too many that have an SC setup with #s and feedback to show (i don't care if they are small, just show me something damnit!)

mythe7

^^^^agreed!!!! lets see some numbers. i believe atkins got 176rwhp out of their sc'd otherwise stock s4.....thats 50ish hp gain..

SonicRaT

iTrader: (6)

We've been through this, the increase was more like 25-30.

TurboIIGuy

Man out here in los angeles, ca you can find turboII with tranny complete for about $800 bux or so, and that's a JDM motor with about 40k miles on it. My buddy just picked up a motor for $450 yesterday, complete. Lucky bastard, he came up.

Evil Aviator

Why do you feel that you need a TII transmission along with the JDM engine, but not with a supercharger? Please don't tell me that you are looking at the ridiculous price listing on the Camden website.

Also, let's look at economics:
$620 Racing Beat Holley Carb
$2395 Camden 7" Supercharger
$200 RB Road Race Header
$3015 Total

About 2 years ago I sold my TII for $2,000, and it is still running fine for the current owner.

Even if you sell your current car for only $1, you would still save $1016 by buying a TII vs. the supercharger option. As a bonus, you would not have to turn any wrenches, you could use the cheaper 87 octane gas if the TII remains mostly unmodified, you could pass emissions inspections, your car could be insured for the full value, and the TII would also give you a stronger transmission, stronger driveshaft, stronger halfshafts, stronger LSD, etc.

I vote for "just buy the TII dude".

Sorry, I haven't been through this. Did anybody verify that the "176hp" number was at the flywheel or drive wheels? Based on general industry standards, and the wording on the website, it appears to me that the 176hp was at the flywheel.