Ok im new to this, so please , dont yell "SEARCH DUMBASS!" in my face cause i hate searching, takes too damn long.

Anyways im slightly experienced with mazdas (several months on mx6.com owning a mx6 n/a) but i have no knowledge whatsoever on rx7's and rotaries. So please explain any jargon you use. I just wrecked my mx6 an i am wanting a turbocharged car and i want an rx7 the most.

1. Ok first things first, what the hell is "FC" ?

2. What diffent types of rx7's were there? i know of GLU and GLX but i dont know what they mean and what they're packaged with, so could someone explain all the model types and packages.

3. Ok, is the N/A rx very fast? it has 150 HP right? does it pull well without the turbo? times?

4. how rare is the turbo version and what is t2/turbo II?

5. RWD right?

6. all rx's 2 seater?

7. so can a non turbo be changed to a turbo using a turbo's rx's parts? or is this impossible due to stronger parts on the turbo model (example: on mx6 gts, there are strong pistons and tranny's and motor mounts etc, that a n/a mx6 doesnt have to handle turbo)

thats all i can think of off the top of my head, but if you have any other useless information please say it cause i know NOTHING! thanks.

 

I'll answer the basic questions and leave the more in-depth ones to people who will be able to help you better than I can.

FC is just the designation code for 2nd generation RX-7s...something to do with the VIN/chassis code, I believe. 3rd generations are FDs, and later 1st gens are FBs.

There were several different types of RX-7s... and I think we did have a recent thread about this, so for this one you may want to check the archive or run a search (I hate searching too so I don't blame you for not wanting to).

Speed of the N/A will very from person to person. The TII people tend to think the N/A is a turtle, but it really isn't. The N/A can be a blast with just a little bit of work.

TurboII is what the turbo FCs were called. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Japan got a turbo FC before we did, and it was the first turbo, so we got TII..

Yes, RWD.

They were all 2 seaters except for the 2+2 cars which are fairly rare, but any coupe can be converted to a 2+2 with the right stuff.

Yes, N/As can be converted to TIIs but it's usually more efficient to just sell it and buy a real TII. There are many threads on this, again if you'd like to search, you shouldn't have any problems getting feedback.

Hope this helps a little bit. I'm still trying to learn all I can as well. Hopefully if I've said anything inaccurate someone will point me in the right direction.

 

Here is what i know.
the 86-87 had these models i think.
base
se
sport
gxl
Turbo2 in 87???

88 had
SE
GTU
GXL
TURBO 2
CONVERTIBLE

And the 89-91 had the
SE
GTU
GTUs
GXL
Turbo 2
Convertible

well there ya go.
lates Matt22

 

*thinks to self - must be nice, I must be nice, ...* PATIENCE. I don't get paid to answer your questions. And what makes you think your time is SO much more valuable than mine, huh? PATIENCE. I bet you get called a "punk kid" a lot, don't you? *ohwell, that failed*

Chassis code. New M3s are called E46 M3s, 87-88 Corolla GT-S' are called AE86, same thing. 2nd-gen RX-7s are called "FC"s.

http://devils.eng.fsu.edu/bmatts_stuff/FCdesc.txt

See above for hp numbers, with the addendum that TurboII RX-7s made 182hp in 87-88, and 200hp in 89-91. N/As run a 15.8-16.2 1/4mi and 8.0 to 60 MPH, while TIIs run 14.8-15.2 1/4mi and 6.5-6.7 to 60 MPH

Uh. The TurboII is what Mazda called the turbo RX-7. Don't ask why it's the turbo II. We call 'em T2 for short. How rare are they? Uh, pretty rare, especially compared to the N/As. The 87-88s are a bit more plentiful, while the 89+ cars are pretty damn rare.

Yeah.

No. All GXLs had a 2+2 option. Instead of storage bins in the rear, the car was fitted with itty-bitty rear seats that are only big enough for people you REALLY HATE. These seats will bolt on to any model, but only came stock on GXLs, and again, were an (expensive) option.

It's just like the MX-6 world. It can be done, but it's better to sell the car and buy a turbo outright.

Obviously. Oh, here... look on the upper right hand corner of every page. See the search button???

USE IT.

Brandon

 

Part of teh VIN of all 2nd gens...JM1FC331 is NA JM1FC332 is turbo

THere is base(unmarked, 86-8 4 lug cars, very common), most of these cars had sunroofs, many had power mirrors, and not much else. These were very lightweight, expecially without sunroof. Find yourself a decent 86 base with no sunroof and you've got a fast car waiting to happen. 86 was the lightest(read stripped down) year of the FC, and more of these had no sunroofs than later years. Theyre probably about 400lb lighter than a later model turbo II, I can fully attest to this because I have to push different blown up models around in my drieway. IN 88 the base was marked as SE. Many bases had no power steering as well.

There is GXL, which is 5 lug, went from 86-90. The 86-8 has LSD rearend stock, all had power mirrors and windows and sunroof and cruise, basically all options. They also had somethign called AAS, auto adjusting suspension. Basically factory 2 way adjustable struts with electric motors on top. Dont worry though, those are all garbage 10-15 years later, in fact they usually handle worse than a base model because of this. Theyre pretty heavy cars in relation to a base model. They all had power steering too. They all had the bigger brakes, 4 piston front and vented rears.

There were sports(unmarked) in 86 and 87, and the GTU in 88, all of which were 5 lug cars with no power windows. Theyre supposed to look better than a base while being lighter than a GXL. Some of these had little rubber aero packages added on...little flaps before each wheelwell adn a little rubber flap for a back wing. They also had the bigger brakes.

There were turbo II's, or t2 for short. Only one trim level, though some had power steering some didnt. A?C was standard on all rex's. All t2s have the options of a gxl except for AAS. They came with 16" wheels.



IN 89 the cars changed quite a bit. They revised the body molding, front and rear bumpers, mirrors, wing, interior trim, seat, adn doorpanel designs, engine adn electronics quite a bit. These engines had a bit more HP as well. Chassis reinforcements pushed the weight up even farther.

89-90 was a GTU, but it was the basemodel fo these years, except it is nicely appointed more than the early cars. They had 5 lug wheels and decent brakes, sunroof, wings were standard form 89 up.

89-90 also made a GTUs. IT had no sunroof, a 4.3 LSD (rearend) ratio(stock is 4.1 or 3.9 for automatic), a slightly differnet 5th gear ratio, and 16" mesh wheels. Only like 2000 made, very sought after. Pretty lightweight for 89-91s.

91 had only 2 models, turbo and coupe, which was a nonturbo. It had most options of a GXL, and was not badged as anything usually.

89-91 had turbo II, same as above with 16" mesh wheels.

Fast if youre not used to a rotary yes. Fast as hell. 86-8 NA was 146, 89-91 was 160 with a 8k redline. Top speed for NA cars is about 140. 1/4 in like high to mid 15s.

Stock turbos 87-8(no 86) were 182, and 89-91 were 200. Top speed for a t2 is about 145, 1/4 in low 15s.



ALL rx7s ever made were RWD.

90% of 2nd gens had storage bins inside a fiberglass frame in the back. 5% (mainly early bases) didnt even have these bins, they just had flat carpet and wooden fillin plates where they would go. the other 5% had back seats, called 2 + 2. I have a backseat for sale right now in fact.

Basically a turbo has everything built a bit bigger. The engine internals are differnet compression, the wiring and injection adn manifolds are way different, the hood is different, tranny, DS, rearend, rear axles(halfshafts), wiring, ecu, a couple of special sensors, intake and exhaust varied to accomodate the turbo also.

IF you have a wrecked turbo its definitely worth the time to swap if you have a real good ocndition nonturbo. Someone like me can do it in about a day or 2. IF you have to go find all the parts one by one it would NOT be worth fooling with for <40hp. All teh stuff, if you have it ALL, does bolt right in though. You just cant mix and match ANY of it, either all or none.

 

Because in japan some 1st gens were turbo, ever hear of a 12AT? They ain't talking about a dozen automatic transmissions there.


So anyway when they brought a turbo rx-7 out as a 2nd gen, they just called it turbo II.

Damn, I wrote that long *** post and 4 people replied while I was writing. Oh well.

 

I'll tack on another newb question, but balance it with a bit o' advice. Please don't crucify me for getting something wrong! I don't even know a 7.... yet.

Shan, check out http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/Overview...d.asp?src=URES

This is MSN's page on the rx-7s, and while it is far from complete, it can give you a basic idea about what the different trim levels are all about. The trim levels varied from year to year on the FCs, at one point there were more than 4 flavors of RX-7 (1988-89, I think), and at another point there were only 2 (1991, Coupe or TurboII). So year really makes a difference. Also, the second gen is divided into two sub-classes. 86-88 is the first bit and have 146hp/182hp for the n/a and Tii, while the 89-91 came with 160hp/200hp. 89-91s also look somewhat different from the 86-88s. Tail lights are lit round ala pre-RX7 rotaries and mirrors have hole in them like the Tiis do.

Basically it comes out to this:

GTU = RX-7 + Tii features - Turbo - Power everything.
GXL = RX-7 + power everything - Turbo.
Tii = RX-7 + power everything + turbo.

Those are the 3 major ones. And yes. Turbo II is not a Twin turbo. It just means second generation of a turbo-ed rotary.

Now, for my pathetic little questions:

What type of speakers/what size came stock in the 89-91 FCs?
I've heard it described as a "6 speaker" system, I presume the front channels are a component system then? Is there a How-to page on replacing them?
What's the wattage that the stock amp/deck it pushing to them?
What factory color for a 1990 is a deep blue, that turns sorta purply or green, depending on what type of light it is? (I love it!)

-ZenFox

 

4" in dash, 6.5" in door, 4" in rear strut tower. 6.5 will easily fit in rear strut tower and sound great.

Yup the 4" dash speakers carry mids and highs while the door speakers were setup as woofers my a crossover, and the rears were fullrange.

Well its a bolt in procedure. You have to remove doorpanels for the door speakers. I recommend runing your own wire for the front channel if you get a new deck, to bypass that shitty crossover.

No idea. Probably not more than 15wrms/ch. Decks were made by clarion after 89.

IF its the same as the car in my sig, its called harbor blue metallic, vairly rare. Very pretty.

IF its a much darker blue, midnight blue, almost black, its called brave blue, very rare.

 

"*thinks to self - must be nice, I must be nice, ...* PATIENCE. I don't get paid to answer your questions. And what makes you think your time is SO much more valuable than mine, huh? PATIENCE. I bet you get called a "punk kid" a lot, don't you? *ohwell, that failed*"

ok dood, relax, i had no intentions of being rude and i did not try to imply the fact that my time is more valuable yours, i apologize. I just think that if somone took 5 seconds to answer one of my questions, it would be more efficent then searching through 50 threads and posts looking for info.

"Obviously. Oh, here... look on the upper right hand corner of every page. See the search button???

USE IT."

ok man that was harsh and unecessary. But none the less, you were very helpful, thanks.

I read that file you linked but i dont understand which is better, the GTUs or the GXL? If i get an rx, i want the t2 but if i have to ill stick with the next best thing but which is next best to the t2?

 

The GTUs is very rare, especially the 1990. They were basically a stripped-out TII without the turbo. Kind of a factory race-prepped model.

The GXL is the top of the line N/A model...this would be the one with all the goodies, power everything, leather, adjustable suspension, etc.

 

>>4" in dash, 6.5" in door, 4" in rear strut tower. 6.5 will easily fit in rear strut tower and sound great.

Whoo! *pulls out 4 6.5" Infinities* Jack pot!

>>Well its a bolt in procedure. You have to remove doorpanels for the door speakers.

True, I just meant in terms of trim etc. For example, I've heard Mistu 3kgts are a bitch and a half to get to their rear 6x9s. Glad to hear that the sevens aren't like that.

>>Decks were made by clarion after 89.

Ewwww. *rumages* Whoo! *pulls out Kenwood deck* Double Jack pot! While I'm at it, the 1990 stereos had an EQ with 'em. Are they worth a damn? Or better to disconnect?

>>IF its the same as the car in my sig, its called harbor blue metallic, vairly rare. Very pretty.

*squint* I can't quite tell, but it was a lighter blue, so I'm betting it's that color. Harbor blue metallic. I like it!

Thanks!

-ZenFox

 

ok cool, thanks stickgoat, now i know that i need a gxl or a tII if i can get my hands on one and afford one.

Now i need to compare specs and times to mx6 n/a and turbo and with mitsu eclipse gsx's. im researching these 3 cars heavily. I got mx6's down, rx7's are comin good thanks to you guys, but anyone know a good 1st gen eclipse sight?

 

I love it when that happens!



No its not bad at all. THe front dash speakers have their own access panels that come right off with philips screws, the backs have a couple of screws but be careful with those grills they are easily broken. The doors, panels must be removed, but it aint all that hard, about 10 minutes per panel. You can do the job in a couple of hours if its just the speakers. Liek I said, I like to jump my own wire off the dash speakers then run them out to the door speakers to eliminate the door x-vers. They sound SHITTY if left.

IF it looks sky blue with a hint of gray, its harbor blue metallic. IF it looks like its black but it has a bit of purple/blue, its brave blue.

 

Rebuilt-transmissions.com?
expensive-awd-transmissions.net?

I think dsm.org is a big site, my wife used to have a NA DSM that had problems adn I did some research on them, thereis a forum and mailing list just like the 7's have. There's a guy on one of them who races professionally a,lot but his name escapes me. Buschur I think.

 

I believe www.dsmtalk.com is a pretty popular site. I've never been there though, so hopefully that'll be the right address.

 

lol ok one more stooooopid question, but , why are they called "DSM" ?

 

ok nevermind, Diamond Star Motors...duh

 

DSM= Diamond Star Motors

It was a collaboration between Mitsubishi and Chrysler that built Eclipses, Talons, and Lasers.

 

Diamond star motors (the mitsu symbol, 3 diamonds...)

 

Way to make a new member feel welcome.