which stand alone or chip is a good bang for the buck
01-03-06, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by muythaibxr
Well, I'm not really advertising, I'm just saying that a plug 'n play megasquirt option will very soon be available...
My main point is that bang for the buck (the point of this thread) you can't get better than a Megasquirt, especially if you build it yourself (about $190 for the parts, plus maybe $30 for additional parts, and about a day to assemble the MS.... and about a day or 2 to build the wiring harness or splice into the stock one.)
I will agree that no matter what the car, installing a megasquirt on it by yourself can be a trying task... It's been less than a year since support for a lot of cars' ignition systems has become available though... Before that the MS was fuel only unless you wanted to run EDIS or an older distributor-based setup.... so maybe thats the "ignition problem"
The MS is very "bleeding edge" a lot of the time, but honestly, it's a full Standalone EMS for $450 pre-built, and around $220 if you build it yourself.... even if you buy it pre-built it's hard to beat that price..... and if you build it yourself, you literally can't beat that price for a full standalone.
My main point is that bang for the buck (the point of this thread) you can't get better than a Megasquirt, especially if you build it yourself (about $190 for the parts, plus maybe $30 for additional parts, and about a day to assemble the MS.... and about a day or 2 to build the wiring harness or splice into the stock one.)
I will agree that no matter what the car, installing a megasquirt on it by yourself can be a trying task... It's been less than a year since support for a lot of cars' ignition systems has become available though... Before that the MS was fuel only unless you wanted to run EDIS or an older distributor-based setup.... so maybe thats the "ignition problem"
The MS is very "bleeding edge" a lot of the time, but honestly, it's a full Standalone EMS for $450 pre-built, and around $220 if you build it yourself.... even if you buy it pre-built it's hard to beat that price..... and if you build it yourself, you literally can't beat that price for a full standalone.
01-03-06, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
This was at a dyno day about 2 months ago...
Those issues are also why I said that if you're installing the MS yourself and building it yourself, especially on a car nobody's tried it on, you're in for a lot of work, and probably a lot of debugging.
But the factor of price remains.... the price is just so cheap.
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01-03-06, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by muythaibxr
Also, my plug 'n play units will be available in the next few days without a base-map, and in maybe a week, I'll have an S4 base-map (for a stock S4). By tonight I'll have about 5 units ready to be custom modified for whatever features people want me to include. In the next week or so I'll have 5 - 7 more... and I'm working on a deal with someone to build the base units for me, so all I have to do is mod them... all that in order to handle more volume.
For now I (and a few friends) plan on selling them for $450 if I provide the stock connector, and $420 if you ship us a dead ECU to use the stock connector from.
We're mainly doing this as a service to people who aren't that electronically inclined.
And all the stuff people have said about the MS making you learn is true. If you just want to plug something in, and have it work, then I'm building the plug 'n play units, but the MS won't be any better/worse than any other ECU (well much better for the price, but that's not the point). IF you want to build one yourself, and learn a whole lot about how EFI works in the process, then you should look into building your own MS.
7 months ago, I didn't even know how to write assembly code, and now I'm adding features that make a noticable difference to the people using them (I fixed some issues with trailing ignition and made it solid and usable, and added support for FD trailing... I'm working on adding rx8 ignition support, and I've added some other features, like the staging transition code)... The point is, you can't do what I've been able to learn and do on any other ECU...
For now I (and a few friends) plan on selling them for $450 if I provide the stock connector, and $420 if you ship us a dead ECU to use the stock connector from.
We're mainly doing this as a service to people who aren't that electronically inclined.
And all the stuff people have said about the MS making you learn is true. If you just want to plug something in, and have it work, then I'm building the plug 'n play units, but the MS won't be any better/worse than any other ECU (well much better for the price, but that's not the point). IF you want to build one yourself, and learn a whole lot about how EFI works in the process, then you should look into building your own MS.
7 months ago, I didn't even know how to write assembly code, and now I'm adding features that make a noticable difference to the people using them (I fixed some issues with trailing ignition and made it solid and usable, and added support for FD trailing... I'm working on adding rx8 ignition support, and I've added some other features, like the staging transition code)... The point is, you can't do what I've been able to learn and do on any other ECU...
01-03-06, 05:33 PM
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The MS itself would be the same more or less... the differences are in the harness adapter (different plugs for the stock harness), and in the way you configure the software for injector size, and the way you tune your fuel/ignition maps.
01-03-06, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by muythaibxr
The MS itself would be the same more or less... the differences are in the harness adapter (different plugs for the stock harness), and in the way you configure the software for injector size, and the way you tune your fuel/ignition maps.
01-03-06, 05:59 PM
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I have a 87 and my son has a 91 vert, that we installed a jdm s5 in. And I have the motor we pulled from the 91 to build to put in the 87. I thought I would get a standalone first and adjust as I add mods. Maybe a high comp. turbo
01-03-06, 06:58 PM
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this is great info because my buddy cant afford the wolf 3d so he is looking for other options but i keep telling him going cheap may lose your engine but i think i may be wrong because it seems a lot of members are having good luck with the rtec and so on but the greddy emange has not been discussed, when i put my bnr stage 2 and wolf 3d and my bolt ons i could not belive the power, at one point i wanted a third gen because my buddy kept smoking me, he had his twins tied in an ecu i cant rember which one intercooler ,and now i can beet him by 3 cars so now im keeping my fc3s babyyyyy my other buddy with his fc3s is still looking for a afordable stand alone or chip
01-03-06, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
Try getting a microtech to do what??? They come with the best basemap I have ever seen.. If you have stock injectors you will not notice a difference between this and the stock ecu...
I just meant that the open source nature of Megasquirt lends itself to easier changes. Either you can do it yourself or get on the msefi forum and see if someone else can help you out. From what I've seen and heard, ECU manufacturers are very reluctant to make improvements and changes unless they have to. The injector transition issue was just an example.
A good problem with Megasquirt is there are so many features and options that it can be difficult to know how to build the unit or how to set it up. In many cases you will need an above average knowledge in electronics and computer software.
In my case, I had to make hardware mods for EGT monitoring, rotary ignition, rotary sensors, BAC idle control, output solenoid controls, and electronic boost control.
It can definitely be a job to figure out and do yourself. Thus far Megasquirt has been pretty cool for me.
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01-06-06, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by muythaibxr
Also, my plug 'n play units will be available in the next few days without a base-map, and in maybe a week, I'll have an S4 base-map (for a stock S4). By tonight I'll have about 5 units ready to be custom modified for whatever features people want me to include. In the next week or so I'll have 5 - 7 more... and I'm working on a deal with someone to build the base units for me, so all I have to do is mod them... all that in order to handle more volume.
For now I (and a few friends) plan on selling them for $450 if I provide the stock connector, and $420 if you ship us a dead ECU to use the stock connector from.
We're mainly doing this as a service to people who aren't that electronically inclined.
And all the stuff people have said about the MS making you learn is true. If you just want to plug something in, and have it work, then I'm building the plug 'n play units, but the MS won't be any better/worse than any other ECU (well much better for the price, but that's not the point). IF you want to build one yourself, and learn a whole lot about how EFI works in the process, then you should look into building your own MS.
7 months ago, I didn't even know how to write assembly code, and now I'm adding features that make a noticable difference to the people using them (I fixed some issues with trailing ignition and made it solid and usable, and added support for FD trailing... I'm working on adding rx8 ignition support, and I've added some other features, like the staging transition code)... The point is, you can't do what I've been able to learn and do on any other ECU...
For now I (and a few friends) plan on selling them for $450 if I provide the stock connector, and $420 if you ship us a dead ECU to use the stock connector from.
We're mainly doing this as a service to people who aren't that electronically inclined.
And all the stuff people have said about the MS making you learn is true. If you just want to plug something in, and have it work, then I'm building the plug 'n play units, but the MS won't be any better/worse than any other ECU (well much better for the price, but that's not the point). IF you want to build one yourself, and learn a whole lot about how EFI works in the process, then you should look into building your own MS.
7 months ago, I didn't even know how to write assembly code, and now I'm adding features that make a noticable difference to the people using them (I fixed some issues with trailing ignition and made it solid and usable, and added support for FD trailing... I'm working on adding rx8 ignition support, and I've added some other features, like the staging transition code)... The point is, you can't do what I've been able to learn and do on any other ECU...
01-07-06, 11:03 AM
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Any one still using the superchips that was my first chip years ago it was ok I suppose but the newer chip are a lot better now it was only for mild mods
01-24-06, 12:42 PM
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as we speak we are dynoing my buddys 7 before we put the greddy emange sysem on it to get a base number and afr i will you all in with copy of the dyno pull
