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Old 12-04-02, 06:52 PM
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Unhappy Speaker question....

My front speakers on my car quit working all of a sudden. Just one day, they didnt work anymore. I dont really care about "systems" or music that much, but it sounds like **** with just the rears working. I do have an aftermarket headunit (Pioneer Supertuner 3), but It has been in the car for years, nothing new. I removed the front speakers and hooked them up in the rear, and they worked fine, so it is not the speakers that are broke. Is there a fuse or something for just the front speakers that could've blown? Any help will be greatly appreciated, I suck at car audio stuff.......
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sounds like your wiring went bad. Go to somplace you trust (NOT CIRCUIT CITY!!!!) and find out if its the wiring. The reason i say no circuit city. I had my speakers installed by them, and when i was getting my subs intalled the person who was doing the installation found they had crimped the wires and was slowly destroying my speakers. Hence why I hate them.
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Just check the wires out of your radio and see if you get output there---If not --you found your problem
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Have you checked the Fade on the radio yet???
Old 12-04-02, 10:12 PM
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that'd be funny if it were just the fade... lol...
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I have the same problem. I just listen to the sound of the engine. It makes some interesting tunes every once in awhile.
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i don't have a radio or speakers installed yet... the engine is ALL i can listen to...
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Originally posted by Icemark
Have you checked the Fade on the radio yet???
C'mon now, I'm not that dumb
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You should check to see if the amp turn on wire got disconected in the back of your radio. Do you have the speakers with an amplifier in the back, because if you don't then that is probally what happened and if you do then its not that.

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Im not sure, but you may want to check the stock "amps". I have heard with aftermarket units installed they can burn out. I never had a problem with them, but i have heard of people blowing the amp/their head unit from a week up to several years after they install it. Just something to check. Also, as someone suggested, check the output from the head unit, if you are getting signal there then you know its a problem else where. I would suggest then check before the factory "amp" and then after the amp, ect ect. Just use common sense my man.

Rotorific has a great point too. make sure your amp turn on works as well.
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C'mon now, I'm not that dumb
You'd be surprised at the number of people that consider themselves brilliant complain of their front or rear speakers not working and never checked the fade at most stereo shops.

If the fronts then are still not working, you mention you have a pioneer aftermarket head unit in there, were the stock amps bypassed or????

If they were not and you have an aftermarket radio in there you probably burned them out.

If they were then you need to remove the radio, and see if the front speaker output from the radio will drive the rear speakers. Chances are they won't. If they don't you need to repair or replace the radio
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With my Fc I was trying to tune the best way to hear the speakers.. and I faded everything to the rears and I tuned them to the way I Liked them.. I got caught up doing something else... couple weeks later I'm complaining on how crappy my front speakers are and everything and how they don't sound that good.. I put my hand close to them and wonder why I dont feel any bump with the bass... I laugh.. I check the fade and for the 3 weeks I been complaining about the sound... I had nothing going to the front speakers... What a moron.
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I found that running a small voltage like that from a AA battery across the wires connected to your speaker will cause some aural stimulation.

In other words you can test your speakers by tapping the wires on it to a AA battery. It should cause the speakers to produce a static like sound. DON'T DO IT FOR EXTENDED PERIODS.
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if your using the stock wiring then the little "amps" that control the fronts could be goin out.

its kinda a pain but i suggest just running speaker wire from head unit directly to the speakers and bypassing old and possibly failing stock wiring.

just a thought
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OK, truthfully I have no idea how it was installed, if amps were bypassed or what, it was in the car when I bought it, and has been fine for years. Ill pull the headunit and crap out and check some things and let you all know
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where are the stock amps on a 88 gxl?
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get this, my front speakers stopped working on mine....
problem ended up being the fact that the previous owner screwed then mounting screw in the side of the head unit too tigh, kept shorting it out.

stock amps for rear are actually on this speaker tub thing on the shock tower and the front one is by the passenger side speaker behind the glovebok....i think
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Both amps (one for each speaker) for the front are in the speaker box on the passenger side. On some site I browsed awhile back they were talking about 'cold solder' failures in various CPUs and the ECU. One place they also mentioned were the front speaker amps. especially if the problem comes and goes.

I've been getting ready to put a Clarion unit in my car and have been wondering about the max. power to the stock amps. I have been told by an electronics person that the stock stereo probably puts out a low level signal and since the amps boost it, a high power or even medium power head unit might burn out the stock amps. Especially if you like to listen to it LOUD. Having looked at the inside of the amp/speaker box and compared it to wiring diagrams, it looks like it might be easy to bypass the amps within the box. This would allow you to use the correct wiring harness adapter for your car, not have to run new wires, and allow a quick return to a stock set-up should you want to. Obviously this would not apply to a serious audio system. And there is probably a limit on how much power you acn run through the stock wiring.

Anyone see any problems with this theory?
How about pointlessness?
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Originally posted by opelbits
Both amps (one for each speaker) for the front are in the speaker box on the passenger side. On some site I browsed awhile back they were talking about 'cold solder' failures in various CPUs and the ECU. One place they also mentioned were the front speaker amps. especially if the problem comes and goes.

I've been getting ready to put a Clarion unit in my car and have been wondering about the max. power to the stock amps. I have been told by an electronics person that the stock stereo probably puts out a low level signal and since the amps boost it, a high power or even medium power head unit might burn out the stock amps. Especially if you like to listen to it LOUD. Having looked at the inside of the amp/speaker box and compared it to wiring diagrams, it looks like it might be easy to bypass the amps within the box. This would allow you to use the correct wiring harness adapter for your car, not have to run new wires, and allow a quick return to a stock set-up should you want to. Obviously this would not apply to a serious audio system. And there is probably a limit on how much power you acn run through the stock wiring.

Anyone see any problems with this theory?
How about pointlessness?
Stock amps are 25 watts/channel RMS. Most any decent aftermarket high powered head unit will put out that much.

The stock full range amp's input is 7 watts high power, not 500mW low level (with except the door amps on the S4 cars, which actually do use a 500mW signal and din cable).

Running a aftermarket high power head units output straight into the stock amps 7 watt input will burn up the stock amp.

Depending on the quality of the signal from the aftermarket head unit, this burn up could happen in an hour or a year, but too much signal is too much signal and the pre-amp sections in the stock amps will eventually smoke and the genie will escape.

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Thanks for the numbers!
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Originally posted by poor college student
i don't have a radio or speakers installed yet... the engine is ALL i can listen to...
You're in the same boat as me. Well.. I have my deck. Just need speakers + that center console piece from 1FastT2
Old 12-20-02, 11:28 PM
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i got my speakers and my headunit... i'm in the process of putting the stuff in... too bad it doesn't all fit like i was hoping it would... i guess i should've checked... but i guess i'm doing a lot more extra work now... oh well... good thing it's xmas break, right?
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While we're on the subject of speakers, does anyone know the Mounting Depth of the 5 1/4 inch door speakers in an 88 Convertible?
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While we're at it, how about the door speaker mounting depth on an'89 Convertible? And I've been told that 6.5" speakers will fit. True? Anyone know for SURE?




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