so lets say i get my car running
so lets say i get my car running
alright so as of right now i have a t70 turbo,straight 3inch pipe all the way back to a y greddy catback.safc2, some sort of hks maf(if anyone could tell me what it is"its a housing coming off my turbo. connected to my air filter") misimoto radiator, 660 injectors. i was wondering if i do get the car running after my harness swap what i could do to get more power?
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From: Sterling Heights, MI
You'll likely need bigger injectors to support the T70, and a standalone ECU to control them. Check out the single turbo section, there's a ton of good info in there. If you do get it to start, DO NOT boost at all on the current setup, I am confident it will blow up (not enough fuel = leaning out = kaboom). Have you done a compression test? That could possibly be why it's not running now.
You'll likely need bigger injectors to support the T70, and a standalone ECU to control them. Check out the single turbo section, there's a ton of good info in there. If you do get it to start, DO NOT boost at all on the current setup, I am confident it will blow up (not enough fuel = leaning out = kaboom). Have you done a compression test? That could possibly be why it's not running now.
You'll likely need bigger injectors to support the T70, and a standalone ECU to control them. Check out the single turbo section, there's a ton of good info in there. If you do get it to start, DO NOT boost at all on the current setup, I am confident it will blow up (not enough fuel = leaning out = kaboom). Have you done a compression test? That could possibly be why it's not running now.
you're not going to blow it if you don't boost it... So what do you have for engine management right now? Stock N332 turbo ECU and the safc to change the AF? 660 injectors will work up to about stock maybe a little over so ~7-9 pounds give or take. What do you have to tune this? Hopefully at least a wideband? Need more input, sorry if I missed the explanation in another thread
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you're not going to blow it if you don't boost it... So what do you have for engine management right now? Stock N332 turbo ECU and the safc to change the AF? 660 injectors will work up to about stock maybe a little over so ~7-9 pounds give or take. What do you have to tune this? Hopefully at least a wideband? Need more input, sorry if I missed the explanation in another thread
No worries about the boost man, thats purely controlled by your right foot. I could run my turbo cars all day and not once hit boost if I wanted to. Right now all you need to worry about it like you said, get it running or better yet getting it to turn over first. Your compression will tell you the health of your engine. You can tackle boosting limitations after she runs. I don't believe HKS made air flow meters so maybe you're looking at the stock AFM with a HKS sticker... Of course a pic of the engine bay would confirm this immediately. Has this car ever ran? If so it would just be a simple "wont start" issue that we'd be addressing. Ya might wanna look for a SAFC instruction manual and find out how to put it at a "no adjustment or default" setting for now until you get it running just to rule that out from being a possible problem that could if adjusted incorrectly could cause too much or not enough fuel. Start here, get it to spin over and get us some compression readings which idealy would be by taking the valve stem out of the end of the compression tester and watching the needle jump to its highest point and record that, or if it not possible to remove the valve stem then listen to hear if the the compressions are equal with the tester out and then put the compression tester in and record the max compression front and rear rotors, next would be spark and the fuel (meaning the plugs would be wet from trying to start it). Let us know what ya find
No worries about the boost man, thats purely controlled by your right foot. I could run my turbo cars all day and not once hit boost if I wanted to. Right now all you need to worry about it like you said, get it running or better yet getting it to turn over first. Your compression will tell you the health of your engine. You can tackle boosting limitations after she runs. I don't believe HKS made air flow meters so maybe you're looking at the stock AFM with a HKS sticker... Of course a pic of the engine bay would confirm this immediately. Has this car ever ran? If so it would just be a simple "wont start" issue that we'd be addressing. Ya might wanna look for a SAFC instruction manual and find out how to put it at a "no adjustment or default" setting for now until you get it running just to rule that out from being a possible problem that could if adjusted incorrectly could cause too much or not enough fuel. Start here, get it to spin over and get us some compression readings which idealy would be by taking the valve stem out of the end of the compression tester and watching the needle jump to its highest point and record that, or if it not possible to remove the valve stem then listen to hear if the the compressions are equal with the tester out and then put the compression tester in and record the max compression front and rear rotors, next would be spark and the fuel (meaning the plugs would be wet from trying to start it). Let us know what ya find 

If it won't turn over, source out a new starter like $20 in the used section. You'll def need bigger injectors for sure are you going 880 all around or 880 secondary? I'd ditch the SAFC but I think you should keep it for a while just to learn about your car, when you feel confident that you know your car well enough then upgrade to a standalone.
For more power, the only other things I can think of is new plug wires (old ones might be a bit worn but IDK, might free up a few HP), street port and a good tune. If you don't have a wideband, make that your next upgrade.
For more power, the only other things I can think of is new plug wires (old ones might be a bit worn but IDK, might free up a few HP), street port and a good tune. If you don't have a wideband, make that your next upgrade.
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From: London, Ontario, Canada
A T70 turbo is a turbo that will produce numbers in the high 400s on a 13B. This does depend a bit on the exact specs of the turbo (ie. what turbine side?) but from what you have mentioned so far, you do not have the supporting mods to run this turbo.
To give a quick rundown, you will need:
-much larger injectors, think 720CC primary and 1600CC secondary
-upgraded fuel pump
-front mount intercooler
-full standalone EMS
-full exhaust
-upgraded clutch
-wastegate, BOV
And then all the little things that go along with this setup.
If this is a stock port engine, you will suddenly know the definition of "Turbo lag" because the T70 is quite a lag machine in most cases.
To give a quick rundown, you will need:
-much larger injectors, think 720CC primary and 1600CC secondary
-upgraded fuel pump
-front mount intercooler
-full standalone EMS
-full exhaust
-upgraded clutch
-wastegate, BOV
And then all the little things that go along with this setup.
If this is a stock port engine, you will suddenly know the definition of "Turbo lag" because the T70 is quite a lag machine in most cases.
If it won't turn over, source out a new starter like $20 in the used section. You'll def need bigger injectors for sure are you going 880 all around or 880 secondary? I'd ditch the SAFC but I think you should keep it for a while just to learn about your car, when you feel confident that you know your car well enough then upgrade to a standalone.
For more power, the only other things I can think of is new plug wires (old ones might be a bit worn but IDK, might free up a few HP), street port and a good tune. If you don't have a wideband, make that your next upgrade.
For more power, the only other things I can think of is new plug wires (old ones might be a bit worn but IDK, might free up a few HP), street port and a good tune. If you don't have a wideband, make that your next upgrade.
A T70 turbo is a turbo that will produce numbers in the high 400s on a 13B. This does depend a bit on the exact specs of the turbo (ie. what turbine side?) but from what you have mentioned so far, you do not have the supporting mods to run this turbo.
To give a quick rundown, you will need:
-much larger injectors, think 720CC primary and 1600CC secondary
-upgraded fuel pump
-front mount intercooler
-full standalone EMS
-full exhaust
-upgraded clutch
-wastegate, BOV
And then all the little things that go along with this setup.
If this is a stock port engine, you will suddenly know the definition of "Turbo lag" because the T70 is quite a lag machine in most cases.
To give a quick rundown, you will need:
-much larger injectors, think 720CC primary and 1600CC secondary
-upgraded fuel pump
-front mount intercooler
-full standalone EMS
-full exhaust
-upgraded clutch
-wastegate, BOV
And then all the little things that go along with this setup.
If this is a stock port engine, you will suddenly know the definition of "Turbo lag" because the T70 is quite a lag machine in most cases.
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 29,798
Likes: 128
From: London, Ontario, Canada
im getting 880 injectors primary and secondary. i have full exhasut. and a new clutch. wastegate and i think a bov ill have to look again. i just want to make sure im not going to blow the motor up.i really dont even know what motor it has in it. the guy said it was a brand new motor with 30000 miles on it. ill take pics today and send them over
You'll need to make a new downpipe to match the turbo to your existing exhaust, and that will depend on the manifold used as well as the wastegate.
As I mentioned, you will need a full standalone and all the other upgrades I listed to run tha turbo.
And don't discount tuning. If you have never tuned a car before, you will be paying for someone else to do it as well as dyno time.
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