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Old Dec 4, 2009 | 10:38 PM
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so lets say i get my car running

alright so as of right now i have a t70 turbo,straight 3inch pipe all the way back to a y greddy catback.safc2, some sort of hks maf(if anyone could tell me what it is"its a housing coming off my turbo. connected to my air filter") misimoto radiator, 660 injectors. i was wondering if i do get the car running after my harness swap what i could do to get more power?
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You'll likely need bigger injectors to support the T70, and a standalone ECU to control them. Check out the single turbo section, there's a ton of good info in there. If you do get it to start, DO NOT boost at all on the current setup, I am confident it will blow up (not enough fuel = leaning out = kaboom). Have you done a compression test? That could possibly be why it's not running now.
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im new to all this. just trying to get everything out there.
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Originally Posted by need RX7
You'll likely need bigger injectors to support the T70, and a standalone ECU to control them. Check out the single turbo section, there's a ton of good info in there. If you do get it to start, DO NOT boost at all on the current setup, I am confident it will blow up (not enough fuel = leaning out = kaboom). Have you done a compression test? That could possibly be why it's not running now.
havent done a compession test because the starter wont even turn. and im getting 880 injectors with my new wiring harness
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Originally Posted by need RX7
You'll likely need bigger injectors to support the T70, and a standalone ECU to control them. Check out the single turbo section, there's a ton of good info in there. If you do get it to start, DO NOT boost at all on the current setup, I am confident it will blow up (not enough fuel = leaning out = kaboom). Have you done a compression test? That could possibly be why it's not running now.
shoot now you got me all worried about blowing the motor.
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Old Dec 5, 2009 | 01:49 AM
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you're not going to blow it if you don't boost it... So what do you have for engine management right now? Stock N332 turbo ECU and the safc to change the AF? 660 injectors will work up to about stock maybe a little over so ~7-9 pounds give or take. What do you have to tune this? Hopefully at least a wideband? Need more input, sorry if I missed the explanation in another thread
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you're not going to blow it if you don't boost it... So what do you have for engine management right now? Stock N332 turbo ECU and the safc to change the AF? 660 injectors will work up to about stock maybe a little over so ~7-9 pounds give or take. What do you have to tune this? Hopefully at least a wideband? Need more input, sorry if I missed the explanation in another thread
lol to tell you the truth this is my first rotary and i have no idea what it really has in it. like towards teh ecu and how to run the safc. i dont know how to turn the boost off. can you help me out.
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Old Dec 5, 2009 | 02:39 AM
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No worries about the boost man, thats purely controlled by your right foot. I could run my turbo cars all day and not once hit boost if I wanted to. Right now all you need to worry about it like you said, get it running or better yet getting it to turn over first. Your compression will tell you the health of your engine. You can tackle boosting limitations after she runs. I don't believe HKS made air flow meters so maybe you're looking at the stock AFM with a HKS sticker... Of course a pic of the engine bay would confirm this immediately. Has this car ever ran? If so it would just be a simple "wont start" issue that we'd be addressing. Ya might wanna look for a SAFC instruction manual and find out how to put it at a "no adjustment or default" setting for now until you get it running just to rule that out from being a possible problem that could if adjusted incorrectly could cause too much or not enough fuel. Start here, get it to spin over and get us some compression readings which idealy would be by taking the valve stem out of the end of the compression tester and watching the needle jump to its highest point and record that, or if it not possible to remove the valve stem then listen to hear if the the compressions are equal with the tester out and then put the compression tester in and record the max compression front and rear rotors, next would be spark and the fuel (meaning the plugs would be wet from trying to start it). Let us know what ya find
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No worries about the boost man, thats purely controlled by your right foot. I could run my turbo cars all day and not once hit boost if I wanted to. Right now all you need to worry about it like you said, get it running or better yet getting it to turn over first. Your compression will tell you the health of your engine. You can tackle boosting limitations after she runs. I don't believe HKS made air flow meters so maybe you're looking at the stock AFM with a HKS sticker... Of course a pic of the engine bay would confirm this immediately. Has this car ever ran? If so it would just be a simple "wont start" issue that we'd be addressing. Ya might wanna look for a SAFC instruction manual and find out how to put it at a "no adjustment or default" setting for now until you get it running just to rule that out from being a possible problem that could if adjusted incorrectly could cause too much or not enough fuel. Start here, get it to spin over and get us some compression readings which idealy would be by taking the valve stem out of the end of the compression tester and watching the needle jump to its highest point and record that, or if it not possible to remove the valve stem then listen to hear if the the compressions are equal with the tester out and then put the compression tester in and record the max compression front and rear rotors, next would be spark and the fuel (meaning the plugs would be wet from trying to start it). Let us know what ya find
no the actual box connected to my turbo that goes to the air filter says hks like imprinted in the metal. not a sticker. and yea i got good compression in the motor.and yes the car did run and then the oil cooler line poped off and spilled the oil out and it died. but when i got it the starter was just dangeling and the wiring harness looked like ****. so hopefully monday well have some results. anymore advice?
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If it won't turn over, source out a new starter like $20 in the used section. You'll def need bigger injectors for sure are you going 880 all around or 880 secondary? I'd ditch the SAFC but I think you should keep it for a while just to learn about your car, when you feel confident that you know your car well enough then upgrade to a standalone.

For more power, the only other things I can think of is new plug wires (old ones might be a bit worn but IDK, might free up a few HP), street port and a good tune. If you don't have a wideband, make that your next upgrade.
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Old Dec 5, 2009 | 10:31 AM
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A T70 turbo is a turbo that will produce numbers in the high 400s on a 13B. This does depend a bit on the exact specs of the turbo (ie. what turbine side?) but from what you have mentioned so far, you do not have the supporting mods to run this turbo.

To give a quick rundown, you will need:

-much larger injectors, think 720CC primary and 1600CC secondary
-upgraded fuel pump
-front mount intercooler
-full standalone EMS
-full exhaust
-upgraded clutch
-wastegate, BOV

And then all the little things that go along with this setup.

If this is a stock port engine, you will suddenly know the definition of "Turbo lag" because the T70 is quite a lag machine in most cases.
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If it won't turn over, source out a new starter like $20 in the used section. You'll def need bigger injectors for sure are you going 880 all around or 880 secondary? I'd ditch the SAFC but I think you should keep it for a while just to learn about your car, when you feel confident that you know your car well enough then upgrade to a standalone.

For more power, the only other things I can think of is new plug wires (old ones might be a bit worn but IDK, might free up a few HP), street port and a good tune. If you don't have a wideband, make that your next upgrade.
no the starter is fine i had it tested at kragen. im hoping it just didnt start because of the crappy wiring harness
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
A T70 turbo is a turbo that will produce numbers in the high 400s on a 13B. This does depend a bit on the exact specs of the turbo (ie. what turbine side?) but from what you have mentioned so far, you do not have the supporting mods to run this turbo.

To give a quick rundown, you will need:

-much larger injectors, think 720CC primary and 1600CC secondary
-upgraded fuel pump
-front mount intercooler
-full standalone EMS
-full exhaust
-upgraded clutch
-wastegate, BOV

And then all the little things that go along with this setup.

If this is a stock port engine, you will suddenly know the definition of "Turbo lag" because the T70 is quite a lag machine in most cases.
im getting 880 injectors primary and secondary. i have full exhasut. and a new clutch. wastegate and i think a bov ill have to look again. i just want to make sure im not going to blow the motor up.i really dont even know what motor it has in it. the guy said it was a brand new motor with 30000 miles on it. ill take pics today and send them over
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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nd_track_driver94
im getting 880 injectors primary and secondary. i have full exhasut. and a new clutch. wastegate and i think a bov ill have to look again. i just want to make sure im not going to blow the motor up.i really dont even know what motor it has in it. the guy said it was a brand new motor with 30000 miles on it. ill take pics today and send them over
880CC is not enough fuel. You can use two of those 880CC injectors are primaries, but you will need larger secondaries such as the 1600CC I suggested. However getting a nice idle on 880CC injectors will be a bit difficult so I recommend you run something smaller as primary.

You'll need to make a new downpipe to match the turbo to your existing exhaust, and that will depend on the manifold used as well as the wastegate.

As I mentioned, you will need a full standalone and all the other upgrades I listed to run tha turbo.

And don't discount tuning. If you have never tuned a car before, you will be paying for someone else to do it as well as dyno time.
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