So I did her in
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so the moral of the story is:
learn to drive
got it.
if you can't manage to keep a car straight at 35mph then i doubt you could manage to do what i used to have to do, keep a car straight while losing traction at 85+ on dry pavement while watching 3 gauges at the same time and then catch the road in a split second.
running up to 140 requires a little more focus on the road though. i guess that's also why i stopped road tuning, having some customer cars start shimmying at 100+ is a little discomforting.
300whp is enough to make the car loose at speeds up to and above 65mph on dry pavement and that is easily enough to get anyone into trouble. start with stock power, learn to handle it, then move up in steps. no one can jump into a 450whp car and handle it right off the bat without easing into it slowly and what is the point of that? it requires more throttle control to keep power down, adding in an unecessary learning device.
i don't care if a camry V6 has 265 crank horsepower or not, it's heavy, has traction control, front wheel drive and automatic. all said and done it is close to 215whp and has more stability than a 215whp rear wheel drive basic sports car naturally would, not to mention a hell of a lot slower.
learn to drive
got it.
if you can't manage to keep a car straight at 35mph then i doubt you could manage to do what i used to have to do, keep a car straight while losing traction at 85+ on dry pavement while watching 3 gauges at the same time and then catch the road in a split second.
running up to 140 requires a little more focus on the road though. i guess that's also why i stopped road tuning, having some customer cars start shimmying at 100+ is a little discomforting.
300whp is enough to make the car loose at speeds up to and above 65mph on dry pavement and that is easily enough to get anyone into trouble. start with stock power, learn to handle it, then move up in steps. no one can jump into a 450whp car and handle it right off the bat without easing into it slowly and what is the point of that? it requires more throttle control to keep power down, adding in an unecessary learning device.
i don't care if a camry V6 has 265 crank horsepower or not, it's heavy, has traction control, front wheel drive and automatic. all said and done it is close to 215whp and has more stability than a 215whp rear wheel drive basic sports car naturally would, not to mention a hell of a lot slower.
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idk if I'm misunderstanding your post, but I was no where near going 140mph. I was at a stop sign on a wet road, decided to hit the gas and the tire cut loose and pushed me, I tried to save it the best I could, but the rear end had enough inertia that I fish tailed 3 times than slid in, but now that I know my rear tires are bald (I didn't at the time) it explains alot. Cause as soon as it lost traction I never touched the gas again, it was all inertia that put me in the ditch. I do wonder what would've happened if I of put it in gear and spun the tire more if maybe I could've saved it. But who knows
it was a comparison of experience versus inexperience.
the one accident i ever had was when 16, looking over my shoulder to merge and rearended a truck which stopped abruptly in front of me. 22 years since i have never had an accident, even when people were literally trying to run me off the road out of carelessness.
driving skill isn't inherent, it's something you learn. sometimes through hard trials.
about the best learning tool i had was my old chevy S-10 4X4, driving in blizzard conditions with no chains and drifting in 4 wheel drive going over mountain passes with cliff dropoffs. you learn or die very quickly. also an underutilized ability is engine braking, additionally i used to practice on black ice covered parking lots.
it is easier to learn to control a car once you have learned to control an out of control car. anticipating losing control you will be ready when the time comes.
the one accident i ever had was when 16, looking over my shoulder to merge and rearended a truck which stopped abruptly in front of me. 22 years since i have never had an accident, even when people were literally trying to run me off the road out of carelessness.
driving skill isn't inherent, it's something you learn. sometimes through hard trials.
about the best learning tool i had was my old chevy S-10 4X4, driving in blizzard conditions with no chains and drifting in 4 wheel drive going over mountain passes with cliff dropoffs. you learn or die very quickly. also an underutilized ability is engine braking, additionally i used to practice on black ice covered parking lots.
it is easier to learn to control a car once you have learned to control an out of control car. anticipating losing control you will be ready when the time comes.
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I agree with you 100%, everytime winter comes around I force my 2wd dakota into slides in empty parking lots to remind myself how it reacts while out've control so I know what to do. But, I haven't drove a stick in 3 years so I'm a little rusty yet, I've only owned the 7 for a month and it was the first time it got away from me so my main focus in my mind at the time was to keep counter steering and hoped to god that it would straighten out. This honestly is the FIRST time I have ever wrecked a car, been driving since 17, now 26. Only other time I made a insurance claim is when my car was legally parked and someone backed into it. But other than that, never a fender bender, and only 1 speeding ticket when I was 18
But we could go on with this chit chat for 50 pages, I see where you went with the post.
But we could go on with this chit chat for 50 pages, I see where you went with the post.
you have to also practice in the car you drive, driving a truck is quite a bit different than driving a shorter/lighter car. trucks are predictable as the *** end swings out slowly and easily controllable versus a car with weight over the rear that swings out at twice the pace. multiply that by cars that have even more weight over the rear like an MR2, which once it breaks loose in the rear it swings almost uncontrollably fast.
the faster the rear comes around, the more likely you are to either oversteer or understeer and not be able to regain control.
if i'm not trying to actually slide my 7 it tends to kick out faster than i anticipate it to. so i either try not to, or try to force it into a slide so i am ready.
the faster the rear comes around, the more likely you are to either oversteer or understeer and not be able to regain control.
if i'm not trying to actually slide my 7 it tends to kick out faster than i anticipate it to. so i either try not to, or try to force it into a slide so i am ready.
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I've only had the car a month, didn't feel like forcing it into a slide yet lol I was just getting comfortable driving it normal/redlining it once in awhile. Was gonna really push it after I knew everything with the car was legit
I remember merging onto the highway when it was raining. 3 lanes + onramp lane was going to merging to the far right lane, and fishtailing into the middle lane, thank god no1 was beside me haha.
Oh, I wasn't trying to shame you, just point out the cause>effect in play.
I once read a journalist's description (Henry Manney III?) of a desperate ride through London traffic to catch a plane.
Jacky Stewart was driving his Bentley.
He made the plane.
What impressed him most was that despite going very, very quickly, he never really felt the car accelerate or brake, Stewart was just so smooth.
I don't think "stabbing it" was in his vocabulary.
I once read a journalist's description (Henry Manney III?) of a desperate ride through London traffic to catch a plane.
Jacky Stewart was driving his Bentley.
He made the plane.
What impressed him most was that despite going very, very quickly, he never really felt the car accelerate or brake, Stewart was just so smooth.
I don't think "stabbing it" was in his vocabulary.
Don't ruin rx7s. If you can't handle a na in the rain, drive a Honda. Your car is most likely bent beyond repair. One day there won't be any left because 'gunning it in the rain with crappy tires'. Don't come here saying 'oh the na has enough power because I can total it'. I pity the car who deserved more responsibility.
Don't ruin rx7s. If you can't handle a na in the rain, drive a Honda. Your car is most likely bent beyond repair. One day there won't be any left because 'gunning it in the rain with crappy tires'. Don't come here saying 'oh the na has enough power because I can total it'. I pity the car who deserved more responsibility.
On a side note, you always put your better tires on the rear of a car no matter where the drive goes.. understeer is a whole lot easier and safer to correct than oversteer.
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No kidding, makes it sound like i put it in the ditch on purpose. No one on here can't say they havent tried having a little fun in their 7 on a wet/dry/snowy road, if so, most people will call bs, know i would, cause why else would you buy a sports car? Supposed to have fun once in awhile with them.
The only reason i didn't know the rear tires were slicks is because the PO lowered it and put 17s on it, the outside of the tire has great tread, just the center was bald and how the car is set up you can't see the center of the tire unless its jacked up, or you crawl underneath it.
I'm not trying to **** people off with ehat i did with the car, i get and understand they are thinning out, and if it was a honda, i would've already brought it to the metal yard and got some cash for it, but its not a honda, and i want to fix it, and if it is not fixable, i will sit on it and find another 7 in the future so i have a parts car, and come help our community here with parts from it
The only reason i didn't know the rear tires were slicks is because the PO lowered it and put 17s on it, the outside of the tire has great tread, just the center was bald and how the car is set up you can't see the center of the tire unless its jacked up, or you crawl underneath it.
I'm not trying to **** people off with ehat i did with the car, i get and understand they are thinning out, and if it was a honda, i would've already brought it to the metal yard and got some cash for it, but its not a honda, and i want to fix it, and if it is not fixable, i will sit on it and find another 7 in the future so i have a parts car, and come help our community here with parts from it
i have no problem with people wrecking 7's, it keeps the rest alive.
but it won't have an impact on resale value, they were common and that will always keep their value down.
but it won't have an impact on resale value, they were common and that will always keep their value down.
Being hateful? You ruined a rx7. Then claim n/a power is plenty to wreck these cars, when it shouldn't be. Having fun should not be a defense for irresponsibility. You should know your tires, surroundings, and car before 'having fun' in one of the most unique cars on the road. Go have fun in a miata.
Being hateful? You ruined a rx7. Then claim n/a power is plenty to wreck these cars, when it shouldn't be. Having fun should not be a defense for irresponsibility. You should know your tires, surroundings, and car before 'having fun' in one of the most unique cars on the road. Go have fun in a miata.
Adding to your apparent ignorance, don't even pretend like you've never made a whoopsie-daisy.
Oh, and I'm sorry that you seem to lack the knowledge of just how many second gens were sold. Pity.
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Well just got done with the adjuster, wouldn't mind doing her in......ANYWAYS, she estimated almost 4 grand to fix the fc, so high chance of it being totaled, but she said buy back was about $325 lol. So depending on what happens, may be having a part out, or if i can get it fixed at a good price, i'll go that route
Seen worse than that.
Btw I never lost a car, fender bender in dads nissan when I was young and stupid. Since then I never even scratched a car. Learning driving skills is very enjoyable. I always try to run smooth, basically always paying attention to the cars balance. And I certainly dont drive slow
Good tires are the key. Even better tires and you are all set. If all else fails, go back to the tires
Btw I never lost a car, fender bender in dads nissan when I was young and stupid. Since then I never even scratched a car. Learning driving skills is very enjoyable. I always try to run smooth, basically always paying attention to the cars balance. And I certainly dont drive slow

Good tires are the key. Even better tires and you are all set. If all else fails, go back to the tires
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Somewhat, fenders, front bumper, straighten the core support and hood hinges, and its pretty much done. I think i'm gonna wait and see what the totalling amount is, and if its a decent chunk, i may be able to fix everything and still have cash in the pocket



