Wanked_FC

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THe s4 lsd is more desirable Because the lock up was force proportionate, where as a Viscous LSD needs to see an amount of slippage for the fluid to harden

Wanked_FC

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The s5 radio surround is better, but according to icemark, the rest of your interior pieces suck


actually the S5 plastics are worse and tend to crack out more often... much cheaper construction, and the optional cargo cover was standard on some S5 models and of course optional as a dealer available option on any FC (regardless of series).

Wanked_FC

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The S5 coupes also had a much smaller arm rest glove box, and no sport arm rest option.

Wanked_FC

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No, you give me a break.

The s4 is a linear gauge that moves with the actual temp

The s5 gauge has 3 positions, cold, normal, and you've already cooked your motor.

At least if you have the stock gauges, you get more of a warning with the s4.

Wanked_FC

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But I'm done.. The s4 is not better, the s5 is not better. They both have their merits. I'll still stick with my s4 car with the s5 turbo.

scathcart

Certainly a far cry different from your original claim of "can withstand more abuse". If anything, they can withstand much less abuse, since they wear out so quickly.
Force-proportionate? Fluid HARDENING? Do you have any clue how a differential works?
Here ya go: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

Better looking, faster car. Argue that.

arguing arm rest size... what a waste of time.

Just out of curiousity... Do you just start everything you know about these cars with, "According to Icemark..."

Wanked_FC

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yup, because i copied the diff info from his thread. word for word. I guarantee he knows more than you or me about the differences of these cars.

Wanked_FC

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How does a Viscous LSD(VLSD) work? each output shaft of the differential is tied together by a device known as a viscous coupling. This is basically two slotted discs that have a silicon fluid between them. If the discs are rotated at a speed that varies relative to each other this produces friction which heats the silicon fluid up. The silicon becomes more viscous as it's temperature rises. There will be a point where the silicon will become viscous enough to hold the two discs together (this is why the discs are slotted, it is so the silicon will have something to grip to).

Def, Viscous

vis·cous /ˈvɪskəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[vis-kuhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of a glutinous nature or consistency; sticky; thick; adhesive.
2. having the property of viscosity.
Also, viscose.

[Origin: 1350–1400; ME < LL viscōsus, equiv. to L visc(um) mistletoe, birdlime (made with mistletoe berries) + -ōsus -ous]

—Related forms
vis·cous·ly, adverb
vis·cous·ness, noun
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)


hardening....thickening... all the same ****.

scathcart

Since you love the dictionary....


hard·en·ing /ˈhɑrdnɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hahr-dn-ing] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a material that hardens another, as an alloy added to iron to make steel.
2. the process of becoming hard or rigid.


Hardness is a property of solids, not fluids. Nice try though.

Wanked_FC

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it wasn't my statement or quote. i dont care. go yell at icemark for confusing his terms.

Wanked_FC

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Well technically.... since the viscous fluid is silicone based, and silicone is a metalloid, the term does apply.

johnmasters

OK, this is pretty funny. I didnt realize that asking about the differences would get such a heated debate going. I had no idea that the s4s and s5s had so many differences but I have never owned an S4. To continue the debate, are there any differences specifically relating to the Verts?

phoenix7

THAT'S Another one!

the vert has extra bracing to make it stiffer (and heavier).

the taillights are different

the gauge cluster surround is different

seats come with built-in speakers

doors/windows are different

no bins/rear seats

engines are the same as S4 and S5 so the same arguments as above apply.


I'm sure there are more but I have to get back to work. BTW, I hope you don't think this thread is a heated debate. This is mild compared to some of the really crazy threads.

johnmasters

I am aware of those differences. What I meant was, in addition to everything stated above, what are the differences between s4 verts and s5 verts such as the location of the vert top switch etc...

Also, I realize this is not that heated as I was reading the thread the other day titled something like "Do you prefer the FC or the FD and why". Now that was pretty heated.

nittoracer753

mazda cheaped out on the wiring for the s5

phoenix7

HAHAHA the best is when the arrogant FD owners fight with the uber-butthurt second gen owners. Those are the popcorn worthy threads. Watch fools get banned/warned left and right and laugh. WHen it calms down go and poke the fire some more so we can laugh a lil longer.

REHarrison

In reality, the J-Spec S5 is better than the S4 in many ways. It is unfortunate that the US version did cheap out in some ways, but they can be easily replaced with better parts.

phoenix7

that's like saying an 18 yr. old gf is better than a 29 yr. old gf.

Jspec S5 is the same as USDM S5 except for emissions. what are you talking about?

REHarrison

o'really?

There are many things that changed but it would get too technical to explain, things like better metal materials that were used for J-Spec vs US-Spec, etc...

But one of the obvious differences were that the J-Spec S5 RX7s had torsen LSDs unlike the shitty Viscous LSDs the US-Spec has.

cloudx189

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Where do i find these... threads?