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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 05:04 PM
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s5 fuel pump replacement

Its been a long time since I really messed around on my vert but I have started to tear into it again and my fuel pump went out today when I had it in my shop (I got lucky there). Now dont all s5 have a fuel pump resistor which means I can upgrade my pump now instead of later with a FD fuel pump? I just wanted to make sure it would be a seamless swap. Where are the best deals on a new fuel pump at? My local parts store was $193.11 on an FD pump with my shop discount.

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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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swap in another nonturbo pump, or possibly a T2 pump if you have a lot of mods. any bigger than that and you will just increase your fuel pressure and get bad gas mileage. the resistor relay doesn't eliminate that.
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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just get na replacement
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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check the for sale section around here and wait until someone in the 3rd gen section upgrades their fuel system and sell their stock fuel pump. Until you can find a cheap, more powerful replacement, just use another TII fuel pump. Unless the cost of the TII pump plus the cost of the FD one off the forum is more than the cost of the FD one right now...

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ight=fuel+pump

or this FD one in teh for sale section for 30 dollars shipped...
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 08:28 PM
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what's the flow on an FD pump?
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 10:42 PM
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yea I actually bought a used FD one before and it was junk, it was not putting out enough pressure to run the car. The reason I dont want a n/a pump is because I am wanting to run nitrous in the future. I priced a t2 pump and it was the same price as the fd pump; are they the same pump? Where do you guys think I might find the best deal online for a new pump?

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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 04:17 AM
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walbro 255 $100 at your door

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WALBR...spagenameZWDVW
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 05:17 AM
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If it's still NA then replace it with another NA one. Unless you want to waste money before you waste more money on nitrous.
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 05:59 AM
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From what I understand you are supposed to run another pump with nitrous in conjunction with your normal pump. I have a 1991 vert pump I can get it to your door for $30 shipped.
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by phoenix7
If it's still NA then replace it with another NA one. Unless you want to waste money before you waste more money on nitrous.
what? if I buy a stock one now I will have to replace it later with an different one, it will still run just fine with an fd pump or an aftermarket pump, I might as well put the one I want in it now
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 02:51 PM
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run two of them or buy an external one to go along with the NA one. If you upgrade now you'll get crapy MPG.
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 04:21 PM
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get a 255lh warlboro ... its only 150 bucks or so with the kit. Also its pretty much a direct swap in the verts ... very easy
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by George84
if I buy a stock one now I will have to replace it later with an different one, it will still run just fine with an fd pump or an aftermarket pump, I might as well put the one I want in it now
Sure, as long as you don't mind increased fuel consumption and reduced power as a result of the richer mixtures. Given how cheap a replacement NA pump would be, your logic isn't actually that logical.

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get a 255lh warlboro ... its only 150 bucks or so with the kit. Also its pretty much a direct swap in the verts ... very easy
Using a Walbro pump on an NA engine would be stupid...
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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not thinking outside the box is stupid

running any type of fuel control; i.e. fpr, ems, or different injectors would work well, while at the same time providing for an added level of efficiency.
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 10:02 PM
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Sure, as long as you don't mind increased fuel consumption and reduced power as a result of the richer mixtures. Given how cheap a replacement NA pump would be, your logic isn't actually that logical.

Using a Walbro pump on an NA engine would be stupid...
Dont s5 fuel pumps have a resistor to stop the richer mixtures? I am running a S-AFC II that I could use to get the correct fuel ratio.
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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increase the amount of flow + increase the amount of pressure (by limiting inj. flow) = ??

I'm telling you man, It doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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Well what is the point of the resistor then?
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hurleysurf24
not thinking outside the box is stupid

running any type of fuel control; i.e. fpr, ems, or different injectors would work well, while at the same time providing for an added level of efficiency.
Fuel control isn't thinking outside the box; it would be the correct way to compensate for changes to the injectors and/or pump. But having it tuned would also add a lot of cost to what is basically a very simple repair job.

If a big pump and some form of fuel control are in the near-future plans then it would make some sense to do both, but the tuning required to make it work properly would be far more expensive than a used NA pump (which could be resold when an upgrade is actually required).

Note that a Walbro is still going to be massive overkill for an NA even with nitrous...

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Dont s5 fuel pumps have a resistor to stop the richer mixtures?
The resistor has nothing to do with controlling mixtures. It reduces the pump speed at low load to increase the pump's lifespan. The factory fuel maps will be tuned to to suit.

I am running a S-AFC II that I could use to get the correct fuel ratio.
What are you going to do for tuning? DIY? Professional?
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 11:15 PM
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Well the plan was just to put the new pump in to get it out of my shop and back into winter storage until I got the nitrous kit on in early spring and take the car back to the tuner. I have put maybe put 3000mi on the car in the last 2 years, it is just one of my toys that I am now going to finish the project I started. When I had the pump go out on me I was just planning on putting a fd pump replacement in on scathcart's recommendation for my nitrous setup.
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Old Dec 26, 2007 | 05:44 AM
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It should run fine with a mild upgrade pump like a TII or FD, using a bit more fuel and making a bit less power, which doesn't sound like it'll matter in this case. I can't say the same for a huge pump like the Walbro...
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Old Dec 26, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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Well I put the pump in and it started right up, I can't even tell if it is running richer by the smell (no cats) or tell if there is any performance loss/gain, if feels the same as the stock na pump. Just letting you guys know how it turned out
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