2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

S4 turbo transmission with s5 turbo flywheel. What series turbo clutch kit to use?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 04:09 PM
  #1  
MANSU_V36's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
From: hawaii
S4 turbo transmission with s5 turbo flywheel. What series turbo clutch kit to use?

Im putting a s4 turbo transmission on to my s5 6port engine. Of course ill be using s5 turbo flywheel. My question is which series turbo clutch kit will i have to use, S4 turbo or s5 turbo?
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 04:27 PM
  #2  
FirstRotaryExp's Avatar
The Brap is Back
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,777
Likes: 1
From: Dandridge, Tennessee
S4 and S5 turbo clutch's are the same diameter so it matters not which you take, only thing that matters is that you pick a clutch for a the Turbo flywheel and not an NA.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 04:44 PM
  #3  
MANSU_V36's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
From: hawaii
Originally Posted by FirstRotaryExp
S4 and S5 turbo clutch's are the same diameter so it matters not which you take, only thing that matters is that you pick a clutch for a the Turbo flywheel and not an NA.
I asked because mazdatrix has different Part numbers for s4 oem turbo clutch kit and s5 oem turbo clutch kit. Thanks alot
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 05:01 PM
  #4  
misterstyx69's Avatar
Retired Moderator, RIP
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (142)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 25,581
Likes: 136
From: Smiths Falls.(near Ottawa!.Mapquest IT!)
Transmission doesn't have Squat to do with what you run as a Clutch.
It's the Engine.(and whether it is N/A or TII)
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 05:18 PM
  #5  
FirstRotaryExp's Avatar
The Brap is Back
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,777
Likes: 1
From: Dandridge, Tennessee
Actually, the trans has as much to do with clutch selection as the flywheel. The clutch disc itself has to mate to the transmission input shaft (which NA and T2 have a different spline count). Of the same token, flywheel diameter also factors in clutch disk diameter and pressure plate diameter.

When I used to havea Starion/Conquest I used to keep up with their forum as well, and on it there was a guy that specialized in making bellhousing adapters for various engine swaps and transmission swaps. He would always state that when selecting a clutch you would buy for the transmission (coincidentally the 88/89 model year starion/conquests used the same diameter flywheel as the turbo rx7's)

But OP has stated hes using a S5 turbo flywheel (on a S5 NA) and mating the S4 turbo trans to it (which is all well and good as S4/S5 trannies are interchangeable, just the trans mounts differentiate).

So he needs a 13BT clutch set of either S4 or S5 origin, which series he chooses is probably up to the wallet if there is a pricing difference
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 06:21 PM
  #6  
bumpstart's Avatar
talking head
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,775
Likes: 15
From: Perth, WA, OZ
s5 = 235 mm
s4 = 245mm
this is the reason for the part number changes

BOTH retrofit to either flyhweel, no consequence
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 10:44 PM
  #7  
MANSU_V36's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
From: hawaii
Originally Posted by FirstRotaryExp
Actually, the trans has as much to do with clutch selection as the flywheel. The clutch disc itself has to mate to the transmission input shaft (which NA and T2 have a different spline count). Of the same token, flywheel diameter also factors in clutch disk diameter and pressure plate diameter.

When I used to havea Starion/Conquest I used to keep up with their forum as well, and on it there was a guy that specialized in making bellhousing adapters for various engine swaps and transmission swaps. He would always state that when selecting a clutch you would buy for the transmission (coincidentally the 88/89 model year starion/conquests used the same diameter flywheel as the turbo rx7's)

But OP has stated hes using a S5 turbo flywheel (on a S5 NA) and mating the S4 turbo trans to it (which is all well and good as S4/S5 trannies are interchangeable, just the trans mounts differentiate).

So he needs a 13BT clutch set of either S4 or S5 origin, which series he chooses is probably up to the wallet if there is a pricing difference
Originally Posted by bumpstart
s5 = 235 mm
s4 = 245mm
this is the reason for the part number changes

BOTH retrofit to either flyhweel, no consequence

thanks guys for making it clear.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 11:04 PM
  #8  
misterstyx69's Avatar
Retired Moderator, RIP
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (142)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 25,581
Likes: 136
From: Smiths Falls.(near Ottawa!.Mapquest IT!)
Originally Posted by misterstyx69
Transmission doesn't have Squat to do with what you run as a Clutch.
It's the Engine.(and whether it is N/A or TII)
What am I thinkin??
sorry man,,I must have dozed off..damn winter hibernation!
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 11:02 PM
  #9  
theshdwconspracy's Avatar
Trash Talk
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix
are the starters different? Since the starter bolts to the transmission wouldn't it effect the engagement if you mix flywheel and transmission? i.e an s4 starter wouldn't reach an s5 flywheel because of the 10mm difference in diameter.
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 02:50 AM
  #10  
Furb's Avatar
Rotary and Engineering
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,172
Likes: 1
From: Netherlands
Originally Posted by theshdwconspracy
are the starters different? Since the starter bolts to the transmission wouldn't it effect the engagement if you mix flywheel and transmission? i.e an s4 starter wouldn't reach an s5 flywheel because of the 10mm difference in diameter.
Flywheels are the same, its only a difference in clutch disc diameter
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 10:33 AM
  #11  
theshdwconspracy's Avatar
Trash Talk
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix
Anyone know the flywheel diameter?
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 11:10 AM
  #12  
Furb's Avatar
Rotary and Engineering
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,172
Likes: 1
From: Netherlands
first page in google..
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 12:12 PM
  #13  
RotaryEvolution's Avatar
Sharp Claws
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,107
Likes: 50
From: Central Florida
turbo starters are interchangeable as are the non turbo if you keep it either boosted or naturally aspirated being that the non turbo starters have the solenoid on the opposite side of the starter.

the non turbo automatic starters are the exception and can be used as a high torque alternative for turbo motors.

basically there is non problem using a s5 TII starter on a s4 TII and vice versa.
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:38 PM.