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Old 07-09-05, 08:32 AM
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Question S4? S5?

Just out of curiosity, wtf is the actual difference between the S4s and the S5s?

Probably not a HARD question. But a good one, none the less.

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not really a good question, im sure if you read the faq you would find it, its on nopistons atleast. s4's and s5's had both mechanical and cosmetic differences, the most obvious is the side trim and tail lights, but always remember s5 > s4 mwhahaha (drives a 91 t2) oh and btw if youre going to try and act like you drink atleast spell guiNNess right
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Actually its S4>S5
(owns two 89's+88 and used to own an 87)

S4's own the **** out of S5's as far as quality. S5's are supposedly cosmetically better but if the car's broken down more often than not what does it matter anyhow?
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there is a bumper difference between the two series right?
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Front/rear bumper covers, side moldings, side mirrors, interiors are mostly black, rear tails, all have GTU style rear spoiler, round guages in cluster, smaller tacho, mouse belts, gun grip type shift ****, rubber stereo/shifter surrounds.

The S4's had different ones or old style ones.
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I was referring more to the Mechanical differences.... I didn't set up the signature, my buddy did... heheheh.... I never noticed....

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Originally Posted by crassfc3s
oh and btw if youre going to try and act like you drink atleast spell guiNNess right
Yeah... For being born in '76, I sure am the product of the ADD/ ADHD generation.
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I am suprised that nobody has mentioned the biggest (in my opinion its the biggest) difference. S4 has a lower compression ratio than a S5, and the injectors are different, and I am pretty sure that the turbo is different.
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See? THAT'S the stuff I'm lookin' for.

The reason I ask, is because I found a street-ported S5 for pretty cheap, and I was looking for differences between THAT and my S4 GXL.

As far as the compression goes, I think I have 9.4:1, and the S4 TII has 8.4:1, or some ****, like that. That's ONE answer, but, yes. Probably the BIGGEST difference, and certainly most important one.

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the s5 will make more power just because its a s5 and then its also street ported, but honestly porting a n/a is a waste, for the money you spend pushing to get 200+ hp you can do the t2 swap and have it =D
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check this link out at Kevin Landers' site. i'm planning on putting an s5 engine in an s4 car, so i've complied a list of a bunch of threads on the topic, so let me know if you want to see them. this is the best place to start, though.

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/ro...ries5swap.html
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Sure.... I'd like to see 'em... I'm also following the 20B to FC thread, hoping to find some tid-bits. You can send 'em to me via P/M or E.Mail... One or the other.

I posted on there that I found a 20 in an FC front clip. If I can manage that, then the actual SWAP idea goes out the window. I HAVE found quite a few 13B, and 13B-REW engines; both A- and J-spec. A few clips, but mostly full-on swaps.
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Is the S5 that you found a turbo or NA?

S4 NA have 140 flywheel hp and S5 have 160 flywheel hp, as well as a higher redline of 8K.

I believe there are fewer differences between the S4 turbo and S5 turbo. The S5 spools faster and is more linear in power delivery and also has about 20 hp and 30 ft/lbs or torque over the S4.
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One of the most important things (okay not really) the balljoints. The s4's are servicable, in the sense that you can buy a new balljoint and put it on. Whereas the s5 you cannot, you must buy a completely new lower control arm+balljoint =)
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Originally Posted by crassfc3s
the s5 will make more power just because its a s5 and then its also street ported, but honestly porting a n/a is a waste, for the money you spend pushing to get 200+ hp you can do the t2 swap and have it =D
Intersting, considering porting the engine itself is essentially free. And yeah, you would want to get a free-er flowing exhaust and open up the intake manifold, but you would spend much more than that on custom stuff for a TII swap, not counting the turbo engine itself.
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from mazdamark.com:
As normally found on Japanese cars; a minor or mid life change (Kouki in Japanese) occurs halfway through the production cycle. In 1989, halfway through its expected build life, the FC RX-7 saw a multitude of small refinements. Rotary engine technology had had continued its advance in the 3 years. The engines themselves used new lighter, higher compression rotors. The combustion recesses on the rotors were fully machined and chromed for heat control. With the machining, the compression ratios of each of the rotor's combustion chambers as well as rotor weight, could be more closely matched. The compression ratio for the normally aspirated models jumped to 9.7 and 9.0 for the turbo respectively (up from the 9.4 and 8.5). For both increased emission restrictions and better engine management the engine computer was speed was doubled.
On the normally aspirated (NA) engines the changes allowed the redline to be increased to 8000 RPM. A rotary valve was added between the intake tracks which started opening at 4500 RPM. This variable dynamic intake (VDI) valve enhanced the DEI (Dynamic Effect Intake) by altering the length of the fuel/air mixture path based on engine speed and load. The airflow meter was also changed from the flapper type to a linear type for reduced air resistance and more precise measurement. The oil metering pump was changed from a mechanical pump to an electronic model for more effective lubrication and reduced oil consumption. These engine modifications raised the output of the NA 13B to 160 HP @ 7000 RPM and 140 lb/ft of torque @ 4000 RPM. The power band was effectively widened, giving more usable power at lower RPMs.

The Turbo II received a new turbocharger. Mazda called it the "Completely Independent Twin Scroll". The impeller was fed directly at the exhaust port. The Mazda press release in 1989 said: “This permits the powerful exhaust pulse generated by the opening of the exhaust port to directly hit the turbine blades without interference from the exhaust from the other rotor." This newer design resulted in reduced turbo lag and increased torque. The new electronically controlled wastegate allowed higher boost pressures and quicker response. The modifications resulted in the peak torque smoothed through the 2000 to 5000 RPM band. The horsepower also climbed another 18 ponies to give the revised Turbo II a Mazda claimed total of 200 horse power @ 6500 RPM and 196 lb-ft of torque at 3500 RPM.

The automatic transmission was now electronically controlled with a "hold" mode that allowed the transmission to be shifted manually in the lower three gears. Plastic end links and ball joint mountings were used on the sway bars to reduce noise, harshness, and vibration. Vehicle speed sensitive power steering became standard on the Turbo II, but in the GTU models, a less accurate (and cheaper) engine speed sensitive power steering was used. The fuel tank was increased to 18.5 gallons across the line.

Inside the car, shifting was enhanced by a revised shift rod mechanism, and a shorter shift rod. Leather was used to cover the shift ****, steering wheel, and hand brake in all models except the GTU (base) model. The seats were re-contoured for better lateral support. The temperature, fuel, voltage, and oil pressure gauges were placed in round recesses rather than the pie wedges that were used previously and a minor revision was made to the instrument surround. The center console radio, shifter and Logicon (climate control) surrounds were slightly re-contoured with a new rubberized material and the Logicon itself getting updated icons for air direction. A new parcel shelf was added that hid items in the hatch area for GXL and Turbo versions. Controversial motorized seat belts became standard on the coupes in the USA and black became an interior color option with the gray interiors no longer available. The Limited Slip Differential found on the Series 4 GXL and GTU was dropped on the Series 5 versions to save weight and costs.

Exterior cosmetic changes included new a body trim strip that now matched the car color. The front bumper was slightly reshaped with the nose cap restyled with the word MAZDA embossed rather than the decal found on the '86-'88 models. On the upper level models integrated 55 watt fog lights were placed above the brake vents in the front bumper. The radiator opening was reshaped. A new slightly larger rear spoiler similar to the one found of the Turbo II and GTU in '88 became standard on all coupes. A slightly more rounded version of the Turbo II Aero mirrors also became standard across all models. On the Turbo II a new front spoiler and integrated side skirts replaced the 88 models Aero kit. And finally new tail lights finished off the exterior body changes.

The GTUs and Turbo II received new 16"x7" wheels which were radically lighter than the previous design and licensed from BBS, while new 15"x 6" 5 lug wheels became standard in the base models and the GXL. The convertible retained its ultra lightweight 11 lb 15"x 6.5" BBS wheels.

The former base model, the GX/SE was updated with 5 lug wheels, and was renamed the GTU. While the former GTU/Sport model became the GTUs with a aluminum hood (from the Convertible), a new 4.3 rear end ratio and .762 top gear. The GTUs was designed to be a race ready street car with Air Conditioning and a AM/FM radio the only options. Similar to the series 4 Sport/GS the GTUs also had reduced insulation and 4 piston front brakes.


An automatic transmission became available on the Convertible, and ABS became standard on the Turbo II.
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hell, i'll just post some in the tread in case anybody else is interested as well. bear in mind that these are all from a bookmark folder that i made some time ago for s4/s5 swap info, so if any of these are completely irrelevant or unhelpful, i'm sorry, it's just that i haven't read them in a while. but it should be mostly full of good info.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=swap
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=swap
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=swap
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=swap
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=swap
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=swap
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Hey, Man. As far as help goes: any's better than none.

'Preesh!

I can't really remember which it was; S4 or 5. I think it was an S5, which would explain the original question.

Also, as far as compression goes, it's been my experience that you want a LOWER compression engine to boost. If the N/A S4 has a lower compression than the N/A S5, then it's probably safer to boosy... Less chances of it going off like a bottle of Remy Martin.





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