S4 Apexi Power FC Harness Adapter
03-02-07, 04:13 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by Ricer240sx
/\/\/\/\ yeah well u only have to worry about sellin 5699 casue i need one asap!!!! lol
The only hold up on the S4 release is getting out on the street to tune. The weather has not been cooperating at all.
03-02-07, 04:20 PM
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yeah i hear yeah, WI is getting hammered with snow, and for a bit yesterday rain!!!
but i should be ready as soon as u are so keep me updated!!! please
and Ted dont be a hater!!! i know very knowlageable tuners and have cunsolted with them and they pretty much told me to go this route or die!!! lol (from the options i gave) they also have great knowlage with the units as well!!
also, does banzai have a dyno?? i dono where i wanna take my car for its tune....dont trust the local shop (exept for after the tune so i can get some numbers), and another near shop is known to be overpriced.....
but i should be ready as soon as u are so keep me updated!!! please
and Ted dont be a hater!!! i know very knowlageable tuners and have cunsolted with them and they pretty much told me to go this route or die!!! lol (from the options i gave) they also have great knowlage with the units as well!!
also, does banzai have a dyno?? i dono where i wanna take my car for its tune....dont trust the local shop (exept for after the tune so i can get some numbers), and another near shop is known to be overpriced.....
03-02-07, 04:32 PM
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No, we do street tuning. This gives real world variables and allows to tune for light and heavy loads. Luckly there is a 25 mile stretch of perfectly paved road, with no towns, just south of the shop. We do have a dyno facility 3 miles north of us, for people that want to see what their numbers are after tuning. We can also get a few more HP out of it with fine tweaking at the top end of the gear pulls when it is on the dyno. Street tuning saves a fortune in dyno time.
03-02-07, 04:44 PM
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yeah, i plan on street tuning with my buddy who has used this unit mult. times before i was just looking to get that extra bump form the dyno up top! but its all good!! hehehe just waitin for the plugs to be ready 
and also need to find a good deal on a PFC now too hahahaha
and also need to find a good deal on a PFC now too hahahaha
03-03-07, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueTII
As far as support goes, there is a ton of support the Power FC, just take a look in the PFC forum. The maps don't change a whole lot between series.
It's non-existant, right?
Can the PFC forums help you when the unit break?
I never said this was for everybody.....
BTW it is BECAUSE not cause
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cause
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-Ted
03-03-07, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FC3S Murray
TED, I think some people just don't want to put in the time, money and frustration that goes with installing a Haltech or Microtech. I have been researching and researching my mega squirt info so when the time comes for installation I will be prepared for the long road of troubleshooting and tuning. Essentially the Power FC is convenient- plug in play(play regarding professional expertise with tuning) but seriously lets face it, majority of people including me at times don't want to go through all the detailed shenanigans of stand alones. Most want a effecient fuel/ignition computer that requires little maintenance and will provide them access to power gains.
I wanted to do the megasquirt for a lesson on tuning and building an ECU. If no one wants to learn anything in excess detail but wants great engine management system, the Power FC is the way to go.
I know it is hard to believe but some people dont have the time to invest it all in the 7. (kind of a oxymoron since the 7 requires so much time just to stay "happy")
I wanted to do the megasquirt for a lesson on tuning and building an ECU. If no one wants to learn anything in excess detail but wants great engine management system, the Power FC is the way to go.
I know it is hard to believe but some people dont have the time to invest it all in the 7. (kind of a oxymoron since the 7 requires so much time just to stay "happy")
I never said this product was never going to sell.
I made an objection, BECAUSE someone said it was "cheaper" - which it isn't.
-Ted
03-03-07, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Longshoe
Does it really matter that you have 1024 to screw with rather than 400 on a street car? Ive wanted a PFC for a long time and now this harness will allow me to run it in my TII without having to deal with the nightmare of adapting it myself.
But I guess if it isnt a Haltech or has 235987324 resolution then its just a glorified S-AFC huh.
But I guess if it isnt a Haltech or has 235987324 resolution then its just a glorified S-AFC huh.
-Ted
03-03-07, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Sorry, the Power FC is just a glorified S-AFC to me.
If I was going stand-alone, there are a lot better options with better resolution available.
-Ted
If I was going stand-alone, there are a lot better options with better resolution available.
-Ted
03-03-07, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
So what about A'PEXi support of their product?
It's non-existant, right?
Can the PFC forums help you when the unit break?
It's non-existant, right?
Can the PFC forums help you when the unit break?
Send it to Apexi and they will fix it. Why would they even ask if you had it installed in an FC? They wouldn't.
03-03-07, 06:32 AM
#61
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Originally Posted by RETed
I think you all are getting all bent out of shape.
I never said this product was never going to sell.
I made an objection, BECAUSE someone said it was "cheaper" - which it isn't.
-Ted
I never said this product was never going to sell.
I made an objection, BECAUSE someone said it was "cheaper" - which it isn't.
-Ted
03-03-07, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueTII
Yes, HACKING! With both of the systems you mentioned is very difficult to ever return to stock. With the option that I am proposing, simply unplug it.
I have had dozens of DIY Microtech and Haltech installations come into the shop (on trailers), because the individual was unable to install it properly. ‘HACKED’ is what they were, the customers ended up spending more money having me troubleshoot & fix all the issues (and bad soldering), than if I had installed it in the first place.
I dunno what you're bitching about, BECAUSE frankly, money is money.
All the fucked up installs end up coming to me, BECAUSE no one else wants to touch them, and I do charge a premium to fix these messes.
Never mind that you have to harvest the connectors from your harness by HACKING them off.
Installation of the PFC is a piece-of-cake, virtually you just plug it in and go tune.
Moreso with turbo FC's...
The E6X and E6K are what 95% of the people run in their RX-7’s, when installing a Haltech.
E6K is a discontinued model - that point is moot.
Which is 22x32 and scalable in 500 rpm increments and NO Halwin.
Remember, you're the one bragging about resolution.
See HalWinX comment above for the E6X.
To get anywhere near what you mention you have to step up to the E8, which happens to be more than twice the price of the PFC.
How is that twice?
Power FC + Commander?
[QUOTE]Do you think maybe you are trying to force the Haltech because you charge a minimum of $500 to install and another $500 for initial tuning? That is not even power tuning, just “street drivability”. Hell, there is a reason to go Power FC right there.
Link to Reted’s website http://fc3spro.com/CATALOG/SERVICE/haltech.html
No, I really don't care.
Anyone asks me for applications, I just simply tell them I'm more confortable installing and tuning Haltechs, period.
I don't diss any of the other options - I simply tell them I don't feel comfortable messing around with any of them.
It's not a lie - it's the truth.
Oh, and for the record, I've never charged those full prices to anyone...yet.
Give me a break, if there is nothing wrong with the harness then it doesn’t need replacing. Even if it did, the price you quote is beyond exaggerated.
You can take that however you want.
Even the Mazdatrix price of $700+ adds a significant amount to your budget prices...
Since when is a S-AFC a standalone ECU, allowing the car to be tuned on a MAP based system instead of the AFM?
You wanna talk about HACK?
Wrong. The PFC new is $690, used much less. Read my previous post for a cost breakdown. All I am doing is offering a cost effective alternative that allows full control over the engine, with a very easy install. If people were not interested in it then I would not have bothered making the prototype adapter.
I can claim I've seen used E8's going on eBay for $800.
What does this accomplish?
Nothing...just some braggings rights about who saw the cheapest price.
There is no level playing field there.
I NEVER said people were NOT going to be interested in your product.
See my other reply - I was arguing against the fact this being CHEAPER.
-Ted
03-03-07, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueTII
YES, you are the dumbass that brought up the point about resolution
-Ted
03-03-07, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueTII
For one thing they rarely break, or go bad. There are no internal, or external changes to the PFC, with this install you don't even have to bother removing the pins or cutting wires, like on the FD. If for some reason it fails inside the warranty period, I think everyone knows the answer to this one........
Send it to Apexi and they will fix it. Why would they even ask if you had it installed in an FC? They wouldn't.
Send it to Apexi and they will fix it. Why would they even ask if you had it installed in an FC? They wouldn't.
-Ted
03-03-07, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueTII
Yes, it is. Bottom line, this is a standalone that can truly be installed by anyone. On the high side around $1100, low side around $850
-Ted
03-03-07, 06:45 AM
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I see that you are just one of those people that must have the last word even if you are wrong, so go ahead and get it out of your system. Here I will even given you a mispeling to correct.
What is really comes done to is you are scared to learn something new, that is fine, go back to Haltech world and wait for the world to pass you by.
Now I am going to go back to responding to peoples' questions that are actually interested in installing it in their cars.
What is really comes done to is you are scared to learn something new, that is fine, go back to Haltech world and wait for the world to pass you by.
Now I am going to go back to responding to peoples' questions that are actually interested in installing it in their cars.
03-03-07, 07:01 AM
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RETed, would you please shut the hell up. Stop cluttering this forum. I don't think this post was meant to be a Haltech vs. PowerFC brawl. Yes, both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. They are different. If it helps, just think of this as a stepping stone for people to get used to tuning before they move to a full blown standalone.
03-03-07, 09:59 AM
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provided i get instructions on how to install this system and what i need etc. and where to get it. I'd love, LOVE to buy it. How do you tune it tho, does it register a base map er what? 0.0
This is a great idea and i've been extremely curious about the PFC and always hated how the richy rich FD owners get all the fun. ^_^
This is a great idea and i've been extremely curious about the PFC and always hated how the richy rich FD owners get all the fun. ^_^
03-04-07, 07:56 AM
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Guys
Chris at Banzai installed my power FC into my into my S5TII yesterday. Using his adapters and the "old harness". The car started right up. With a little tuning it ran great.
Thanx Chris for giving the FC community an alternative to those over priced ems's out there.
If this ems is good enough for RE Amemiya to put into his cars it's good enough for mine.
Chris at Banzai installed my power FC into my into my S5TII yesterday. Using his adapters and the "old harness". The car started right up. With a little tuning it ran great.
Thanx Chris for giving the FC community an alternative to those over priced ems's out there.
If this ems is good enough for RE Amemiya to put into his cars it's good enough for mine.
03-04-07, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by staticguitar313
provided i get instructions on how to install this system and what i need etc. and where to get it. I'd love, LOVE to buy it. How do you tune it tho, does it register a base map er what? 0.0
This is a great idea and i've been extremely curious about the PFC and always hated how the richy rich FD owners get all the fun. ^_^
This is a great idea and i've been extremely curious about the PFC and always hated how the richy rich FD owners get all the fun. ^_^
03-04-07, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DASUPACAT1
Guys
Chris at Banzai installed my power FC into my into my S5TII yesterday. Using his adapters and the "old harness". The car started right up. With a little tuning it ran great.
Thanx Chris for giving the FC community an alternative to those over priced ems's out there.
If this ems is good enough for RE Amemiya to put into his cars it's good enough for mine.
Chris at Banzai installed my power FC into my into my S5TII yesterday. Using his adapters and the "old harness". The car started right up. With a little tuning it ran great.
Thanx Chris for giving the FC community an alternative to those over priced ems's out there.
If this ems is good enough for RE Amemiya to put into his cars it's good enough for mine.
Hopefully it wont be "blizzarding" next time we go out tuning.
03-04-07, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DASUPACAT1
Guys
Chris at Banzai installed my power FC into my into my S5TII yesterday. Using his adapters and the "old harness". The car started right up. With a little tuning it ran great.
Thanx Chris for giving the FC community an alternative to those over priced ems's out there.
If this ems is good enough for RE Amemiya to put into his cars it's good enough for mine.
Chris at Banzai installed my power FC into my into my S5TII yesterday. Using his adapters and the "old harness". The car started right up. With a little tuning it ran great.
Thanx Chris for giving the FC community an alternative to those over priced ems's out there.
If this ems is good enough for RE Amemiya to put into his cars it's good enough for mine.
and when i order my PFC i can just have it sent straight to u?? and then have u ship it to with the harness when i order that too?? that would probably be easiest!!!