diagoro

where did you get street cars? he was refrencing to nzconvertibles statment about "genuine race car" ride height.

chmercer

well, a search on google gave no results. if you have some info on failed wheel spacers, please humble me, give me some data, so i can stop preaching about the usefulness of wheel spacers.

but you still decided to reply to it? the original comment was not directed at you, but you decided to jump in anyway. i thought i could quote everyone to keep it simple but again this attempt was lost on you.

what are you talking about? you brought up some ridiculous hypothetical about a 13" slick, so i come back with my own hypothetical, then you decide to try and dissect it?

my original statment stands. lets see if i can make this easy enough to understand.
For street use, lower to mid level autocross, HPDE, drifting, and other similar things (that the vast majority of people on this forum take part in), people use readily available tires. falken rt615, yoko es100, bridgestone re750, etc. You cannot order these tires in whatever size you want like you can with goodyear slicks or whatever else. You are limited to the sizes the manufacturer decides will sell best. So if you want an es100 to fit your (small diameter)"x(wide width)", tough ****, you dont get a tire, because they dont make it. You have a much larger tire selection when moving to a 17 or 18" diameter wheel, because companies cater to these sizes more than they do to 14, 15 etc diameter wheels. get it??

then where were thoes specs on the r33 wheels when you were checking through your extensive brain library? give me a break.

?? my daily driver has about 2" of front ground clearance, roll cage, helmet support bucket, 6pt d loop harness, gutted interior, blah blah blah. I dont have the luxury of having 2 cars, so thats what i drive on the street. Personally, i dont care, im used to it, but obviously it would be a little extreme for most. I dont go around telling everyone to gut out their back seats, just as I dont tell everyone to put wheel spacers on their cars. Thats why i mentioned at the bottom of my post, with the bit about checking lugnuts frequently etc. But there is absolutley no reason for your ridiculous scare tactics, making people think their cars are going to catch fire if they use wheel spacers. As ive said previously, everything has its uses, and you can do somthing properly with dual hub centering 1 piece billet bolt on spacers, or you can do a crappy job with 5 dollar autozone plate spacers on stock lugs with 2 threads of engagment.

again, where did I say "Dropping the chassis = automatic instant better suspension performance". I said that a lowered car, when done correctly, will handle better than one that is at a higher ride height. i dont see how you can even begin to argue with that.

whats the problem? NZ claimed that "Not even genuine FC race cars aren't that low" and I thought I would provide a few pictures as a counter to his false statment. I made no comparison to street cars?

SR20DET>All

Spacers are allowed to be ran in the NASA SE-R Cup and SRX Cup, as well as numerous other racing series.

Porsches come standard with "spacers" from the factory, and it is common place to use differing thicknesses to increase track width between the different year models.

Using the correct spacer properly is perfectly safe, it's effect on hub bearings is obvious as well.

Racing vehicles tend not to use spacers due to the increased RISK of failure. Due to the extreme heatcycling and hub stress the cars see in any given race as well as tire changes they are making the general call to dis-allow the usage of them. This does not mean the usage of them on a general street vehicle is immediately dangerous.

You are incorrect in assuming a higher HP car can naturally make better usage of wider tires, there are too many limiting factors.

I can tell you that no factory RX7 (meaning street driven / amateur raced) will ever need a 315mm tire, regardless of the power it produces.

RETed

Why do you keep sticking your nose into the discussion?
You're getting to be like an annoying mosquito...


-Ted

SR20DET>All

I don't know why you are jumping all over him for this.

Nothing he said is completely incorrect in the quoted portion.

He is talking about the AVAILABILITY of various compounds suited for track and hard street usage. As you may well know, the tire companies are building tires in low durometer compounds for sports cars, which have certain OEM fitments. This limits the sizing available for vehicles.

Icemark

Okay, this thread is done.

Mostly because of chmercers insulting and inaccurate replies (as several people have complained about). If you guys want to argue the use of spacers and tire formula's please start a thread in the wheels and tires section.

If there is a reason for this thread to come back to life, the originator can PM a 2nd gen moderator and have it reactivated.