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Old Sep 16, 2002 | 12:40 PM
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What would cause a car gas to run rich?
1988 none turbo RX7
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Old Sep 16, 2002 | 02:05 PM
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a tuneup usually resolves this.
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Old Sep 16, 2002 | 02:11 PM
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how rich?
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Old Sep 16, 2002 | 02:12 PM
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I did that....new plugs and the whole nine...what about the O2 Sensor?
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Old Sep 16, 2002 | 02:24 PM
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it's killing my plugs ,every 3 months, and it's doing the same to the converters!!
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Old Sep 16, 2002 | 04:33 PM
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let me knowwhen you figure it out. i've got a similar problem with a 90 tII. does yours ever seem like only one rotor starts up at first when you turn it on then after 5-10 seconds the other one starts up and it runs normal?
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Old Sep 16, 2002 | 04:43 PM
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my car was doing this crap the compression turned out to be WAY too low and sadly it just wouldnt start up...i unded up replacing the engine
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Old Sep 16, 2002 | 05:31 PM
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bad injectors?
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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 11:03 AM
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Actual, my car starts up with NO Problem!!!..drives fine, but for some odd reason...spark plugs and converters are dying prematurely...someone mentioned rich gas. I just need to figure out whats causing it...
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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 11:52 AM
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i'm starting to wonder if mine is a problem with the omp
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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 11:55 AM
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oil pump metering???
is it easy to replace?
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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 12:26 PM
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yearrgh if you have a t2 thats a totally different ballpark just get an intake fuel cut defender and a full 3inch exhaust and i guarantee it will not be rich haha actually thats almost running on the lean side if you dont have a controller...dlbrown your omp just puts oil in your rotors what are yout mods cause if you dont have any then mods would help lean it out is your idle rough? what about timing?
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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 12:33 PM
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it doesn't ideal rough at all, as far as timing..I don't understand the question?

one of the cat's is clogged..I'M getting it replaced this week...but the problem keeps coming back...converters die in 5 months..spark plugs die in 3.

I have a 1988 none turbo RX7
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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 12:42 PM
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You say "converters keep dying" - if you're using cheap muffler shop cats, they WILL die on you - they're not designed to take the heat from a rotary. Get a good used stock cat or an aftermarket high-flow cat from a rotary shop.

By the same token, what plugs are you using?

What is your fuel economy like? That's the real indicator if you're running rich or not.

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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 12:53 PM
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I am using used stock converters, but they died within 5 months, and so I have to replace them again...I am using NGK plugs, they only last 3 months.....gas cost $1.50

I think the car is running rich!!
how do you fix that problem??

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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 12:54 PM
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the reason i think mine may be the omp is because my spark plugs got fouled after 2 weeks. is it possible for the omp to put too much oil into the intake stream?
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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 12:58 PM
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yearrgh...we both need help!
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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 04:11 PM
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Again, what kind of fuel economy are you getting? An NA should get around 17-19mpg in mixed city driving.

How do you know the cat is dying?

How's your oil consumption - is the car using more oil than normal?

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Old Sep 17, 2002 | 04:12 PM
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Also, I'm assuming you're using the correct NGK spark plugs - BUR7EQ leading, BUR9EQ trailing. Correct?

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Old Sep 18, 2002 | 12:36 PM
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the car burned more oil during the summer....3 quarts. Since the change in weather it's down to 1.5 a week...I am using the right spark plugs, as far as gas goes...hum! I can't be exact, however, some days it seems to burn more gas then usual.
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Old Sep 18, 2002 | 02:58 PM
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1.5 quarts of oil a week? How many miles do you drive a week? That's excessive oil consumption - you should only lose about a quart every 2000-3000 miles or so.

How many miles do you get to a tank of gas?

How do you know your converter is dying?

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Old Sep 18, 2002 | 03:10 PM
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I don't know the answer to the first question, I really haven't been watching my gas

My converters keep clogging up...I 've been told by a few muffler shops that there clogged...even now! I am currently waiting on used converters so that I may replace the clogged ones. Regarding my oil consumption...I think my oil rings are dying....
I only drive 120 miles a week
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Old Sep 18, 2002 | 03:20 PM
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If you think you're running rich, the first thing you should do is look at fuel economy. My '86 base gets about 280-290 miles on a tank of gas, which is about 18-19mpg.

If your oil o-rings are dying, they could adversely affect the cats over time - cats don't like a lot of oil. But, my old roommate Jay's beater has oil o-rings that are GONE, car smokes bad at high RPMs, etc, but the car still starts, runs, and drives just fine.

I still don't understand the gist of your problem - if the car starts, runs, and drives fine, and makes OK power, who cares if the cats are clogged? That's only a concern when the car is choking for power.

You will foul out plugs faster with a car that's burning oil - they will load up. Might try getting an MSD 6A - the hotter spark will help keep the leading plugs cleaner. But, by the same token, how do you know your plugs are bad? If they "look funny", who cares? Typical sign of worn or fouled plugs is a tough time starting, increased fuel consumption, and being down on power.

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Old Sep 18, 2002 | 03:33 PM
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That's the weird thing, the car doesn't smoke when I start up or while I drive...maybe once or twice, but NOT everyday. Regarding the cats....I've replaced all my cat's a least 4 times this year. I wish I could drive with the cats clogged...but I keep blowing my manifold gasket, and the other gaskets between each cat...the car sounds like chit.
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Old Sep 18, 2002 | 04:30 PM
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Is the *only* problem with the cats clogging that you're blowing out gaskets?

No changes in driveability or power?

BTW, if you haven't done so, I would run with the pre-cats hollowed out and the main cat intact.

Are you doing the exhaust work on the car or is a muffler shop doing the work? Could just be a case of incorrect installation of the cats and gaskets.

The main cat will absorb a lot of the oil smoke. You can drive around fine on a car that's blowing oil. It usually will only show up at high RPM's - like running it up to redline.

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