vice

k so i sold my TII. actually, i traded it for a '95 240sx. i miss the fc. i want it back. but now i have this car that is worth a lot more. $5,500obo to be exact. so, i was thinking of getting an fc with a blown motor for liek 500-1000 bucks and putting an FD motor in it. can it be done for under 5 grand? how much work is it? and links to a good writeup?

Icemark

no, it can not be done for under $5k, maybe around $10K

therotaryrocket

I thought I saw someone on here have a shop that would do the whole swap running for like $3900? Anyways, if you're only spending $5k an fd motor is not practical.(or is it?)

vice

10k?! how much more expensive things do you need to buy besides motor, tranny, and driveshaft?

Mason Rx7

You should just do the swap for a 13B-RE. I've heard good stuff about that swap.

You would need to build custom motor mounts for the 13B-REW because its motor mounts are different. Plus there is engine managment... etc. etc. etc.

IaMtHeRuThLeSs1

^ seriously engine managment alone will probably run you 1k if you do it the way it SHOULD be done. With 5k just get a nice TII, you could probably get a really nice one modded one for around that too.

RETed

Oops, motor doesn't "drop in".
Custom motor mounts or a custom cross brace needs to be welded or bolted in.

Oops, 13B-REW has no IC on top it.
This requires a FMIC - do you already have one installed???

The motor will easily outrun the stock FC fuel pump.
An upgrade fuel pump is required.

The 13B-REW motor does bolt onto the FC stock trans, but you'll need to do something about the 13B-REW pull-type clutch - it doesn't work with the FC stock clutch hydraulics.

If you're going to go with the stock ECU, the A'PEXi Power FC is a popular add-on.
Expect to pay $1,000+ for the unit + Commander.

http://fc3spro.com/TECH/SWAP/FD3S/rew.html
This is where the $10,000 comes from.


-Ted

iceblue

You can do a bangin 13b-RE for 5k providing you do the work. But a REW the motor alone is going to cost you neer that. You can use the REW housing in a RE. And evryone just changes the sequental TT to a single anyhow. So out of curiosity why do you want a REW?

gingenhagen

I think the only real advantages to having a 13Bb-rew is that you're cool and unique. Unless your HP goal is higher than 400, the FC's 13bt will serve you fine. The great potential that the engine already holds is something I've come to appreciate in the past few months.

604Ryder

i think ur alot better off buyin a S5 T2 that needs some work. even if u can get the engine and car for under 5k ... unless ur drivetrain is T2 you wont be able to fully enjoy the power of the engine (well not for long at least)

aznpoopy

i'd be very surprised if you got $5500 for a 1995 S14. i happen to own one.

5spd 95s go for like $2500-4000, depending on condition and 5lug / 5spd / vlsd options.

if you want a FC, just get a fairly modded t2.

vice

i had a TII, i traded it for the s14. i want my TII back. i listed the s14 for $5500 and already have a couple people interested.

i can weld my own brakets.
i already have an intercooler.
i can get a supra fuel pump for really cheap
i don't want to mod the engine that much. i want it to be pretty stock. with just bolt ons for now. i'm still in school.
i figured REW cuz RE is harder to find. you can find wrecked FD's on CoPart for under 3 grand.

Funkspectrum

iTrader: (5)

I'd go with the 13B-RE

I know someone in Sac that did the swap for about 3800 bucks including the engine, single turbo, IC and standalone. The car purrs like a kitten...

BlaCkPlaGUE

Just curious, but what about JDM REW's? I mean they exist for the 13B second gens, and I know over in the land of the rising sun there are a shitload of FD's..

Icemark

Me thinks perhaps you are mistaken.

The FC never came with a 13BREW

myexlex

10k no way.. The fc tranny bolts onto the rew, and you can always change the flywheel. An FMIC is necessary even with a tII swap if you dont have a tII hood which can cost 250+ if you even find one near by or you will have to pay shipping. Freight is not cheap. If you have the complete harness and ecu no need for a standalone, youll do just fine and plus you can even keep the sequential setup. The fuel pump is always a recommended upgrade for any turbo motor..

RETed

I wouldn't touch a project like this just to make 300hp.
That's a waste of time for me.
If I build a 13B-REW, I'll shoot for at least 400.
This requires a single turbo conversion - that's several thousand dollars right there.
Almost ALL the FD owners go single.
The stock twins are junk.
This is where a significant cost of the conversion comes from.
If you're going to stick with the stock twins, be prepared to have them rebuilt and / or replaced - more $$$.

Yes, the engine bolts onto the FC trans, but the stock FD flywheel + clutch does not work due to it being a pull-type system.
You'll need to convert to a push-type, and this requires an S5 (turbo) flywheel, FC clutch disc, and FC pressure plate - more $$$.

The stock ECU is JUNK when doing mods - remember, it's a MAP based system that cannot compensate for increases in VE due to freer flowing intake / exhaust / porting.
The 3-mods-limit rule is sorta a loose rule-of-thumb for this motor + stock ECU system.
You can't expect it to compensate for better engine breathing unlike the FC's with the AFM; you're going to end up blowing the engine up.

Thus, almost any types of mods would require some kinda fuel control.
The A'PEXi Power FC is popular.
You realize this costs $1,000+?
I would go Haltech, personally for almost the same price...

I'm tired of arguing with people who think they can get away cheap.
Please build the car FIRST then add your 2 cents.
Most of you have no idea what you're getting into.
You all sound like theoretical physists talking about how the universe was born.


-Ted

iceblue

I like this guy ^

Man you wont balive how fast that auto parts bill adds up on just lubricants, spark pugs, wires, caps, brakes, brake cleaner, ether, hoses, screws, bolts, weld, lazer level to fab motor mounts and I can go on for ever ruber hoses, SS lines on and on.

Curtisleeyoung

REW for 5k possible but not done correctly, plus you'll need to know a good mechanic with a lot of free spare parts. If I were You I'd get a S5 motor installed drive over to vegas and gamble the rest of the money. You never know you might win.

myexlex

I have built my car from the ground up, lilterately(sp?). Even though I didnt go with an rew motor, I dont think I would either. But the fact is that yes, he can do the swap for that ammount. Whether its recommended, probably not, but he can if he chooses to. Ted I know you are completely against this swap, but noone is talking about having it run 500hp. He simply wants to do a swap...

RETed

Sure, there's a lot of 20B FC's around.
How many of them are running?
I think there are more non-running 20B FC's than are actually running ones.

Sure, if you just "want to do the swap", it's your car, your money, your life.
I'm not telling you what to do.
I just recommend against it.
A 13BT drops right in and makes the same amount of power for less money.
If you want to have a 13B-REW sitting in your engine bay...it's your car...


-Ted

BlaCkPlaGUE

I would be if I meant that, but you mis-interpreted it. I meant that JDM 'second gen' engines are available, so I thought that 3rd gen JDM would be an option.

Is it?

I wouldn't make a mistake like that

myexlex

Yea I get what you are saying, we had this discussion on the other thread. I wouldnt do it either. But its his car and his money and thats what he wants, I guess.

iceblue

The point was 5k. Good luck!

Icemark

Yes, both gen engines are available, but one is bolt in, and the other is custom fit and custom wired.