uRizen

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Winter is rapidly approaching, and I've been thinking about grabbing a remote start system from work and slapping it in. I helped a buddy put his in, and the install bay techs can get me all the specs and papers I'd need for the car.

I've never seen a FC with remote start before, so i was just wondering if any of you guys have done it and have suggestions. I'm probably going to get a cheap alarm with the remote option, and don't care about keyless entry because I don't have power locks. I already have a hidden fuel cut as well, so an imbolizer isn't required as far as I'm concerned.

The wiring should be simple, i jsut ahve to find an easy way to bypass the clutch safety, and I believe most remote start system have a neutral detection lead that can be used with my 5th gear/reverse switch (I think it has a neutral function too, right?)

Thanks for any advice bros.

DerangedHermit

Just bypass the clutch safety in general not just with remote startup. I believe you can just connect some wires near the clutch.

uRizen

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Yeah, I think it's the front switch. The switch has been kinda sticky lately anyways, so I'm planning on pulling it anyways. How about the neutral switch?

powrdby13B

a friend of mine has that on a crx... he just parks out of gear LoL... thats what the e-brake is for...

scheistermeister

i had it on a civic.... I always parked it out of gear.... but one guy who washed my car didnt, he parked it in gear with NO ebrake... long story short, i ended up with a broken front body kit bumper and me and my buddies that worked at a dealership had to sell a brand new subaru outback for a little more than they normally go for to cover the cost of its front bumper being repainted, only we didnt tell the customer that, we just called it a "special edition"...

Icemark

I have remote start on my 5 speed vert.

You just have to hook the start output wire from the remote start to the car side of the clutch switch.

BUT the most important part is to make sure your remote start system has a neutral safety wire, and hook it up to the neutral safetry wire at the cruise control or the ECU (or coming in from under the hood).

do not hook up a remote start on a manual tranny car without using a neutral safety wire. Most of the better remote start systems have this input, which requires ground on the wire before the remote start will work.

Luckly Mazda is one of the few manufactures that includes this netral safety wire on manual transmission cars.

BTW: I have covered this a couple of times before... you may wish to use the search function in the upper right hand corner of the page before posting in the future!.

NZConvertible

If you fit one, please follow Mark's advice. If you're even slightly unsure get it done professionally. Some over here was killed a couple of months ago after being run over by a car that was remotely started while in gear. The remote starter was not properly installed. I imagine that in the overly-litigious US this would land the car owner in very deep ****...

Icemark

Very very true.! imagine the law suit if you lowned the car to your girl friend and she left it in gear and it got started and ran over some dog or kid... you wouldn't have enough insurance to cover it and would be an indentured servant for the rest of your life.

uRizen

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Ok, I checked 'em out here at work and we really only have two that don't have all the alarm crap attached (I don't want an alarm)

Neither of them have a neutral disable lead, but they have a hood pin disable device that won't allow it start if the hood pin closes and grounds the wire. I figure I can just use that lead for both functions, because the neutral lead from the reverse/5th sensor just grounds, correct?

yearrgh

I actualy almost ran myself over because the previous owner of my n/a didn't put a neutral saftey switch on. I was leaving the parking lot at work and the front of the bodykit fell off. I got new screws and went to put it back on. When I knelt in front of the car the key pushed the button and the car jumped fowards. I crawled backwards madly with the front wheel pretty much a foot from my crotch before it stalled. Not fun. Not fun at all.

uRizen

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Very scary. I definatly know the dangers of running without one, and only stupid people you like half-assed jobs do that kinda thing. I found that our car electronics guys were freaking out because I'm not supposed to install remote start in a 5-speed, but I had to tell them to shush and just look at the diagrams to make it work. All I have to do is disable the clutch safety switch (which is sticking a bit already), and then wire up a relay that opens the ground on the hood pin safety circuit so it acts as a neutral safety instead. I will even be able to use the hood pin if I desired (I don't see the point sense it already has a safety disable switch that I can use anyways.)

I juust want to make sure I'm reading my diagrams correctly as well. For the hood pin safety on the remote start unit, the unit is disengaged if the circuit is grounded. On the transmission side of things, the neutral wire heading into the ECU recieves +12v when the tranny is in neutral, and less then 1.5v when it's not. So, I was just planning on sticking a relay in there that is grounded by default, and when +12v is applied, it opens the circuit and the remtoe start fires up.

Does that sound about right?

Icemark

Look at the DEI ones (Hornet, Automate, Valet, Viper, Python, GM) remote starts, they all will have a Neutral safety wire. I probably have a couple of DEI remote starts w/keyless entry laying around, PM me if you need one, and I'll look.

You want a hood pin also, (in addition to Neutral safety and brake switch inputs) as most remote start systems can spike on when you disconnect the battery and reconnect it.

So you could be changing the battery, and suddenly the car starts while you are working under the hood. Or maybe you have the remote in your pocket, while you are leaning over the engine and it presses on your remote. again the car would start while you are under your hood. This would be a bad thing.

I am sorry to say, by the replies you have posted, I am concerned that you may be in over your head... You must hook up everything, and do not think about wiring bypasses.

uRizen

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I can still wire the hood pin to the same lead, not hard at all. I'm not too worry about the safety either. I'm definatly making sure that everythign works out, and it's a pretty simple wiring job. I wish I could just get one with the neutral saftey, but unless I buy the $400 Viper system we sell, I won't get it. Best Buy doesn't have a very good supply of this stuff. If this system doesn't work out safety wise, I'm only out $30 anyways.

Icemark

If you are at Best Buy, you should be able to get the Your Valet brand 552T or 551R remote starts. They are remote starts with Keyless entry option and will have the neutral safety input.

Remember is more than a few states it is illegal to install or have a remote start on a manual tranny car without that neutral safety wire.

uRizen

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We didn't have any of the Valet products at our store, and the only unit that has a neutral safety switch is the $400 and $500 viper systems, which is going far beyond my needs.

I installed the plain-jane remote start system last night, and it works great. The hood pin and emergency shutoff both work, and I have the wires run for the neutral safety circuit. I just have to pick up the relay and I'll be in business. Until then the remote start remains disabled.

BTW, don't trust any alarm install guides. Test everything before doing something like this. I grabbed the guides from work, and the one from the12volt.com, and tested the wires myself just to make sure. I'd say those sheets were ~20% correct on which wires are which. It's easier just to use a multimeter and probe the ignition connectors while you're turning the key to different positions.

Icemark

Actually I help write the pre-1999 DEI Techsoft(tm) software and car information. It should be very very accurate.

uRizen

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Sweet, I'll have to see if I can dig that one up. I'm pretty sure I've heard the install guys talk about DEI something, but the sheet they gave me was some rinky-dink text doc that wasn't even formatted to look good.

totallimmortal

if you hook up the single output for the hood ground to both places it's going to be grounded if it's in nuetral OR the hood is closed both conditions are not nececcary therefore not safe find one with both

uRizen

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Not a worry anymore. I grabbed a unit that has a dedicated neutral safety. System works great.

RoTa7

i had it on my S5 but then after awhile it stop starting from the remote it would just crank but oh well i just went in side the car to start it