re-do my 100 mile rebuild
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re-do my 100 mile rebuild
Something happened to the engine that we just rebuilt about 100 miles ago.
Can we re-use the oil seals? They look like new.
We did not find anything that jumped out at us.
But, one of the water seals did look like it partially feel apart and one of the oil control rings wasn't pressed into the rotor.
Wouldn't the oil control ring be pressed into place by tightening down the tension bolts?
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Can we re-use the oil seals? They look like new.
We did not find anything that jumped out at us.
But, one of the water seals did look like it partially feel apart and one of the oil control rings wasn't pressed into the rotor.
Wouldn't the oil control ring be pressed into place by tightening down the tension bolts?
thanks guys
ash
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It overheated. I just went for a short ride, maybe 30 minutes. I remember checking the temp gauge and it looked OK but shortly afterwards I noticed steam coming from under the hood. I drove it a few more minutes until I found a church parking lot to pull into. When I opened the hood steam was coming from around the radiator cap. A couple of guys pulled in and helped me put get some water from the church.
After that, smoke would come from the tail pipe for about 10-15 minutes after first starting it. My dad drained the oil and found water in the oil.
After that, smoke would come from the tail pipe for about 10-15 minutes after first starting it. My dad drained the oil and found water in the oil.
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It overheated. I just went for a short ride, maybe 30 minutes. I remember checking the temp gauge and it looked OK but shortly afterwards I noticed steam coming from under the hood. I drove it a few more minutes until I found a church parking lot to pull into. When I opened the hood steam was coming from around the radiator cap. A couple of guys pulled in and helped me put get some water from the church.
After that, smoke would come from the tail pipe for about 10-15 minutes after first starting it. My dad drained the oil and found water in the oil.
After that, smoke would come from the tail pipe for about 10-15 minutes after first starting it. My dad drained the oil and found water in the oil.
I dont know what parts can or cant be used after it overheats like that. because now they could be warped. and not be usable. You would have to have them all checked with a micrometer or something to that effect. But On a new Engine i would not let anyone drive it Untill I did a shake down test.
I overly look at my gauges. I mean My eyes are on my gauges when not on the road. because these cars get old. and they just need more attention. Depending how much use it has got. Just hope all those parts are old parts and not brand new housings and irons, That could get spendy. If they were used housings and irons. Then at least the cost should not be to high. I rebuilt my engine for around 550. Oil in water means Bad **** has gone on in that engine, They are not like piston engines. When a rotary overheats its all over. They just cant overheat
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This was not the first time it had run. It sat in the garage for a couple of hours without any leaks. Evidently, setting in garage didn't allow the engine to get hot enough to put pressure on the rad cap. The only place I could see water coming from was the cap. I checked the cap afterwards and it opened at 10 psi.
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This was not the first time it had run. It sat in the garage for a couple of hours without any leaks. Evidently, setting in garage didn't allow the engine to get hot enough to put pressure on the rad cap. The only place I could see water coming from was the cap. I checked the cap afterwards and it opened at 10 psi.
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We used a straight edge and a feeler gauge to check for warping of the irons. They appear flat. A couple of guys visible checked for cracks in the irons and did not find any.
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After we first rebuilt the engine we left the stock fan on, but the stock fan did not keep the engine cool enough because of the front mounted intercooler blocking the radiator too much. So, we switched to a high capacity electric fan. The electric fan is setup to run anytime the key is on.
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A person that knows how to pull an engine might take em 3-4, a person that knows how to pull a 13b out of an FC might get it done in 2, or less with a helper.
I can't say how many hours you would need to rebuild a 13b. Most 4 cylinders I've done took about 10-12 hours with dissassemble, cleaning, blasting, machining, hot-dip, final cleaning, and assembly. Add about 3 hours if you need to disassemble and clean the head to be rebuilt.
That said, these things have a lot less moving parts. But you still need to do a lot of cleaning.
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Oh man! The cleaning parts Suck! That takes a lot of time if you do it right and scrub, scrape, and pick the crap off that is stubborn! Wait until you get to those stinkin apex seals? Putting those in "correctly" takes a lot of time! I don't have a garage, so I rebuilt my engine in a spare room that I call, "the garage." But I did it all by myself and with the advise of people on this website... Have fun!!!
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considering his is already rebuilt, a bit less in cleaning.
i have done a removal of a stock TII, teardown, reassembly and have the car back running rather casually through a saturday + sunday weekend working only those 2 days. probably a bit longer for most people, but that was many years ago before i even knew it all.
i have done a removal of a stock TII, teardown, reassembly and have the car back running rather casually through a saturday + sunday weekend working only those 2 days. probably a bit longer for most people, but that was many years ago before i even knew it all.
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Of course, you can probably do it faster. But don't get in a hurry.
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Any thoughts on that, Karack? I've just built one motor (though it's been a pretty good success).
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Oh man! The cleaning parts Suck! That takes a lot of time if you do it right and scrub, scrape, and pick the crap off that is stubborn! Wait until you get to those stinkin apex seals? Putting those in "correctly" takes a lot of time! I don't have a garage, so I rebuilt my engine in a spare room that I call, "the garage." But I did it all by myself and with the advise of people on this website... Have fun!!!
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The oil control rings ought to be set fairly snug into the rotor before ever even assembling. Drawing the block together with the tension bolts will seat them even tighter, but I don't think they should be loose on tear down.
Any thoughts on that, Karack? I've just built one motor (though it's been a pretty good success).
Any thoughts on that, Karack? I've just built one motor (though it's been a pretty good success).
My Dad says that he remembers having a tough time getting one of the viton rings to seat and he can't remember if he ever did or if something else required his attention and it was just buttoned up like that.
Still, it seems like the tension bolts would finish pressing the ring into place.
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the OEM inners become loose after as low as an hour of run time and basically fall out of the rotor when you disassemble it. the tolerances for that seal were a bit too lax from the start if you ask me.
i'd guess that the seal would press into the groove during assemble but also likely pinch it if it wasn't pressed in prior to assembly. it would have smoked a lot more than in the videos if it lost an oil seal internally.
i'd guess that the seal would press into the groove during assemble but also likely pinch it if it wasn't pressed in prior to assembly. it would have smoked a lot more than in the videos if it lost an oil seal internally.
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the OEM inners become loose after as low as an hour of run time and basically fall out of the rotor when you disassemble it. the tolerances for that seal were a bit too lax from the start if you ask me.
i'd guess that the seal would press into the groove during assemble but also likely pinch it if it wasn't pressed in prior to assembly. it would have smoked a lot more than in the videos if it lost an oil seal internally.
i'd guess that the seal would press into the groove during assemble but also likely pinch it if it wasn't pressed in prior to assembly. it would have smoked a lot more than in the videos if it lost an oil seal internally.
I think I found another problem. There is a crack in the front housing, down in the intake port. It looks as if somebody ground out too much when they were doing the street port and then tried to patch it with something. But, whatever they used to patch it did not hold and the patch lifted off on one side.
But, that would still not account for the water in the oil or the smoke I guess.
What would that crack cause? Sucking extra air into the engine?
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