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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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Im looking to put out around 300 bhp from my 87 N/A. Whats going to be the best way to do this?
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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Sell your car and get a TII.

And searching helps also.

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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 12:01 PM
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Im trying to not spend an arm and a leg. The car only cost me $750 with a parts car.
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 12:08 PM
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300 hp from an NA is going to be extremely expensive and not very streetable. Your best bet is going to be getting a TII. But like Spectator said, some searching will tell you how much you can expect from your NA.
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 12:37 PM
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Hey guys, on a similar subject, I just bought an 89 ford escort. I only spent 100 dollars on it but I am looking for about 450 hp. I've got about 200 bucks, any help?
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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Cold air intake and a muffler from Pep Boys. A body kit will help, but only if you put a lot of stickers and neons on the car, and painting your wheels with a paint brush always helps. Good luck!

EDIT: Don't forget the wing. They will add between 50 and 75 whp.
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 02:16 PM
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not again C-mon,okay im gonna be a little nicer with you,first welcome to the forum and next do a simple search and a couple of threads will pop with really good info and third here we ago
Semmi P-port,PP or full bridgeport(your choice)
Individual T-bodies
EMS or custom CARB setup
custom exhaust sistem(is gonna be really loud)
Lots of internal work on the motor(balancing,Porting,oil mods etc and ect)
and a lot more,not be *** or anything but some full race NA engines dont reach the 300 WHP your best bet here is to save your money and build a turbo motor,you can reach your goal but is gonna cost you a lot of money(we are taking about Gs in here)go and do your homework and find out for yourself buddy
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 02:58 PM
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Turbo that bad boy... search out aaron cake and he will point you in the right direction. Good Luck
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 03:06 PM
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S5 TII swap, 3 inch exhaust, injectors and ECU, BAM! 300hp cheap and easy...

just how i like it...
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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S5 TII swap, 3 inch exhaust, injectors and ECU, BAM! 300hp cheap and easy...

just how i like it...
Cheaper and easier to turbo the N/A
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 03:45 PM
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Now, I'm actually new to working on Wankel engines. But, I've heard a lot of rumors about rotary engines blowing really easy under forced induction. True or False?
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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Now, I'm actually new to working on Wankel engines. But, I've heard a lot of rumors about rotary engines blowing really easy under forced induction. True or False?
I've never seen a turbo'd Rotory blow a head gasket... not once ever!
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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boosting roatarys is not bad...
just overboosting will kill them faster...
Old Jun 8, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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a well tuned 13B will last forever and it will get good gas millage, now if you overheat,overboost or run a crappy tune you are done
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ATRON3000
Cheaper and easier to turbo the N/A
can be true...but finding the parts sometimes can be a bitch...

and if not tuned properly the higher compression will cause it to detonate very easy. but if your going with a stand alone ECU, if will be safe.

if your extreme budget, turbo the N/A motor. but do itCORRECTLY. if you got a little more, but your not rich...do it the way i stated earlier...



and like he said. a properly tuned rotary will run for a very long time. but theres to many people that just add parts, turn up the boost and expect it to last. like turbo'ing an NA with stock ECU and injectors...
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 10:16 AM
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This topic is insane. Too much misinformation....


Originally Posted by Gopher383
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N/A. Whats going to be the best way to do this?
Im trying to not spend an arm and a leg. The car only cost me $750 with a parts car.
Not going to happen unless you can find a cheap used 200 shot nitrous kit. There is no cheap and easy way to make that much power on a non-turbo rotary.

If you are really hell bent on making this happen without any kind of forced induction (nitrous included), it can be done. It can be done on a full bridge, but it will be a LOT easier on a peripheral port. 48 MM P-ports will be fine on the street but still won't pull much below 3500 RPM or so. You'll need a custom intake manifold with a set of ITBs, standalone ECU, upgraded fuel pump with aftermarket regulator, and a properly designed exhaust. This exhaust will be LOUD, almost unbearable and certainly well past illegal no matter where you live. You'll want the internals balanced so you can get it to 9000 RPM or so, with a set of hardened stationary gears w/3 window bearings.

Budget about $6000 for the project if you can do the fabrication yourself.

Or, find a used 200 shot wet nitrous kit and bolt it on. You just now have to be a bit conservative and careful to avoid blowing it up.

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Hey guys, on a similar subject, I just bought an 89 ford escort. I only spent 100 dollars on it but I am looking for about 450 hp. I've got about 200 bucks, any help?
For the sake of the entire world, I can only hope this is a joke.

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Turbo that bad boy... search out aaron cake and he will point you in the right direction. Good Luck
No, I most certainly will not. I'm not too keen on wasting my time providing advice for a project that will never happen.

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Now, I'm actually new to working on Wankel engines. But, I've heard a lot of rumors about rotary engines blowing really easy under forced induction. True or False?
True for stupid people.

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I've never seen a turbo'd Rotory blow a head gasket... not once ever!
If you're serious, then stop posting now please. I don't think it's necessary on this forum to point out that a rotary does not have a head gasket. But just in case you are not joking, the rotary does not have a head gasket. If you run too much boost for the amount of fuel and/or timing, you can easily pop an apex seal.
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sen2two
S5 TII swap, 3 inch exhaust, injectors and ECU, BAM! 300hp cheap and easy...

just how i like it...
total cost would be about 2.5-3k.
This is the only viable cheap option to reach 300 hp.
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by importtuner137
Now, I'm actually new to working on Wankel engines. But, I've heard a lot of rumors about rotary engines blowing really easy under forced induction. True or False?
YOU CAN BLOW A PUSH ROD SO EASY IN A WANKEL.
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hungryhippolw
YOU CAN BLOW A PUSH ROD SO EASY IN A WANKEL.
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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I searched this one up and down for a few days.
It seems that 200HP is about all you can get out of a N/A without spending HUGE money. It is possible to get more, but you must have the time, money, and know how.

For 300HP you should really look in to a turbo II. But you are still going to need money to make it happen.
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 01:57 PM
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It amazes me that these threads get over 2 posts.
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 02:12 PM
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theres no cheap way man but if i were you id find the N/A performance section they'll have a lot of info in there for you... if its 200hp your looking for that would be easy but just know if you want 300 youre talking about a complete tear down all internal work done with a complete rebuild
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But, guys, I want to get my '86 n/a to have 500 hp, but not turbo it, and not run nitrous, how do I do it?

Ps, I only want to spend $300 at the most. I've heard I can buy street ports, and then add them to my distributer cannon. Is this true?
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by hungryhippolw
But, guys, I want to get my '86 n/a to have 500 hp, but not turbo it, and not run nitrous, how do I do it?

Ps, I only want to spend $300 at the most. I've heard I can buy street ports, and then add them to my distributer cannon. Is this true?

Also, I heard about this great 'racing beat' cd that people listen to, apparently the lead singer is Exhaust. Are they good?
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I got it!!!!!

If you want 300HP with an N/A . . . .Just add another rotor.


Oops, I forgot about the "not spending an arm and a leg" part.



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