Which power adder?
02-29-04, 09:36 PM
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Which power adder?
I'm searching for more kick below 3000 RPM, and also searching for a way to eventually make it over 200WHP (not instantly). Which of these do you think would be best? My budget is around $5000.
Camden Superchargers EFI Supercharger Kit
N/A -> Turbo conversion
Bolt-on turbo
Camden Superchargers EFI Supercharger Kit
N/A -> Turbo conversion
Bolt-on turbo
02-29-04, 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by J-Rat
N/A to turbo is the most cost effective.
Dont know much about the Camden charger, I thought it was still under development.
N/A to turbo is the most cost effective.
Dont know much about the Camden charger, I thought it was still under development.
02-29-04, 09:48 PM
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That's true about the turbo motor, but Camden/Atkins says that the kit should be good to 260rwhp with fuel system tuning. That would really suit me fine. Another cool thing is that I could still throw my headers back on and not have to worry about taking them off again.
02-29-04, 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by snub disphenoid
Well, this will most likely happen around July or August, so by that time the kit should be completed (they say it'll be done late March or April).
Well, this will most likely happen around July or August, so by that time the kit should be completed (they say it'll be done late March or April).
the fc3s.org turbo kit for n/a's might be done by then, at least im hoping it is
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02-29-04, 09:52 PM
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Yeah, but my problem with the turbo kit is that it won't be able to make very much power. To make the power I would EVENTUALLY want to see, it would probably require so much boost that it would pop the NA motor.
02-29-04, 10:04 PM
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Just to put the thing in would blow the $5000 budget, and that's not including the entire driveline. That's my main concern with the turbo swap. Also, I hear the turbo conversion adds nearly 200 lbs. to the front end, which would not be cool by me.
02-29-04, 10:09 PM
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That's with a new Spec clutch and RB flywheel (with all the assorted parts) as well as a FMIC that would have to be installed by a shop (I don't have a Sawzall).
02-29-04, 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by snub disphenoid
Yeah, but my problem with the turbo kit is that it won't be able to make very much power. To make the power I would EVENTUALLY want to see, it would probably require so much boost that it would pop the NA motor.
Yeah, but my problem with the turbo kit is that it won't be able to make very much power. To make the power I would EVENTUALLY want to see, it would probably require so much boost that it would pop the NA motor.
and how exactly would you know? are you making the kit? its not even done yet you have no idea how much power its going to make or how much boost an n/a motor will be able to see... aaron cake seems to be doing fine with his turbo'd n/a so far
seems to me that a high compression turbo will make more power than the low compression turbo rotors, however im sure overall the n/a motors wont be able to handle as much boost in the long run
02-29-04, 11:10 PM
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A 9.4:1 CR wouldn't be as condusive to high boost as a 9.0:1 CR would be. Also, it's a pretty small turbine so I'd have to run pretty high boost to get pretty high HP numbers. It's a T25, either a 14G or 15G. It's a kit that's meant to give turbo II performance (or a bit better), not turbo II upgrade possibilities.
02-29-04, 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by snub disphenoid
A 9.4:1 CR wouldn't be as condusive to high boost as a 9.0:1 CR would be. Also, it's a pretty small turbine so I'd have to run pretty high boost to get pretty high HP numbers. It's a T25, either a 14G or 15G. It's a kit that's meant to give turbo II performance (or a bit better), not turbo II upgrade possibilities.
A 9.4:1 CR wouldn't be as condusive to high boost as a 9.0:1 CR would be. Also, it's a pretty small turbine so I'd have to run pretty high boost to get pretty high HP numbers. It's a T25, either a 14G or 15G. It's a kit that's meant to give turbo II performance (or a bit better), not turbo II upgrade possibilities.
they've also said that they will sell the parts individually if people want, so this is what you do, get all the parts cept the turbo and buy a better one instead, then fit it in there
03-01-04, 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by snub disphenoid
Yeah, but my problem with the turbo kit is that it won't be able to make very much power. To make the power I would EVENTUALLY want to see, it would probably require so much boost that it would pop the NA motor.
Yeah, but my problem with the turbo kit is that it won't be able to make very much power. To make the power I would EVENTUALLY want to see, it would probably require so much boost that it would pop the NA motor.
03-01-04, 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Aaron Cake
Sigh....People are going to be very surprised by the posts about my new TINA (turbo-NA) setup come summer...I think it will certainly put some of the doubters in their place...again...
Sigh....People are going to be very surprised by the posts about my new TINA (turbo-NA) setup come summer...I think it will certainly put some of the doubters in their place...again...
w00t!! i know im dying with anticipation
03-01-04, 04:51 PM
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Can't wait Aaron, This should be really impressive.
... I wish I had the time and money to do that.
Unfortunately right now I'm sticking with bolt-ons for my N/A.
... I wish I had the time and money to do that.
Unfortunately right now I'm sticking with bolt-ons for my N/A.
03-01-04, 07:54 PM
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yea id have to agree with zero cylinder on getting the supercharger. granted you wont be able to get quite as much power out of it as a turbo. but you should get a sufficiant amount of power.
03-01-04, 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by oregano
why are u trying to gain horsepower below 3k rpm? might as well leave it like it is now and drive at redline.
why are u trying to gain horsepower below 3k rpm? might as well leave it like it is now and drive at redline.
I think I'll go with the roots-type supercharger for my NA, as an all-around performance upgrade. I don't think I'd want the astronomical HP figures that one can get from a turbo, and I also like the (general) graphs I've seen of how boost builds in a roots-type supercharger. Camden/Atkins says that their kit can be good for up to 260rwhp, so I see nothing wrong with that as a final HP number.
Also, if i want a turbocharged car, I can always get a turbo FC or an FD for a second car.
03-01-04, 10:27 PM
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do yourself a favor and sell the car...
yes i know i dont contribute anything constructive to this thread, but im making an easy reply to get my point across. If you have 5000 dollars to spend, and you want more power. DONT UPGRADE AN NA. I dont get it, now i understand why you guys always tell people to use teh search function. Jesus christ....
yes i know i dont contribute anything constructive to this thread, but im making an easy reply to get my point across. If you have 5000 dollars to spend, and you want more power. DONT UPGRADE AN NA. I dont get it, now i understand why you guys always tell people to use teh search function. Jesus christ....
03-01-04, 10:33 PM
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Yeah, that's nice and all, but there's already abuot 5-6000 in this car at the moment, so selling it would invovle losing all that money I had and starting with a new car that won't be anywhere near as good.