scathcart

Is there any interest in developing a spray-bore system for N/A's?

It would eliminate the need for drilling holes into parts, and make installation a lot easier. A couple other benefits, but you gotta be pretty serious to realise them.
(hiding of the system, no disruption from TB plates, more efficient spray, bigger adjustability, slightly better atomization).

It would not replace the efficiency of direct port, but would come closer than a single fogger.

This would replace the plastic piece in between the TB and intake manifolds, would come ported, and could be offered in a kit if needed, for a total cost of around $550 depending on what NOS is able to supply me with. maybe $700 total (fuel pump, regulator, etc etc.) for everything needed for a 125 hp kit.

I would gain nothing from this (I have a turbo engine). I'm just trying to develop a more specific system for our cars, and maybe get some more products developed here. I would make nothing as far as profit goes.

I'm looking into a few other products as well, this is the only one however that I would like to guage interest on at this point.

boostmotorsport

I dont need one but I think thats a very good idea. I respect that a lot.

Roy James

Good man! I think you will see alot of buisness from this.

David88vert

Very cool idea. Won't work for me since I can direct port easier (have machine shop access). Otherwise, definately the way to go.

Matlock

For ~$700 I would buy it. I'd love to see an application more specific to us. Sign me up! Seriously.

Steven

scathcart

Since when do you need a machine shop to go with direct port? Last I checked, a drill and the supplied tap worked great....

And direct port is considerably more expensive, and really only necessary above 150 shots. It also can't do anything less than 80 hp shots correctly. It also alters the stock manifold. Hence, my development of this. It would also be a great addition for a direct port system, so that you could run a dual stage.

silverrotor

iTrader: (1)

This looks to be a feasible application scathcart. I'll
keep tabs of your project, should you get this underway.

ultradef

I would definitely be interested in the future. I am seriously considering a 50-75 shot for my NA in the next year or so (I only have 2500 miles on my rebuild, so I'm too scared and poor right now). A kit like this would make it easier, more cost effective, and more efficient. I think this setup would definitely be popular.

bingoboy

how feasible will this bee for a car with no other modifications? it's not gonna shorton the life of the motor much is it?

scathcart

It would fit just as stock, and function just as well as stock. Shot sizing would be limited to the current mods, but you could run a 50 hp shot with everything I plan to include and still remian stock. It will pass emissions testing, and should prove visibly undetectable, save the feed line and the bottle.

Could go a long way to help those poor boys in Ca.

Engine life will be shortened under use according to the normal wear created from the extra horsepower.
If you use it frequently, expect to maybe cut 500 miles of the life of your NA engine.

scathcart

Yeah, it should work well. This is a fairly busy semester, so don't expect a buyable product until after christmas, maybe mid to lat feb.

Any BC boys up for fitment testing?

Detriuch

iTrader: (1)

you got a good idea going on. i will be def. sprayin my se when my car is broken in and im looking for the most safest and effictive way possible

scathcart

It's pleasing to see this kind of feedback. It makes me eager to pursue some of the more hardcore products I am looking to develop.

Of course, what it all comes down to is whether or not the product will sell.

SwooshMand

This sounds like one of the best threads i've read on this forum, next to another of your posts. I'm still in the process of making my rx reliable enough to liscense but i would buy a set up like you described this instant. Keep this one going.

NZConvertible

Just out of curiosity, why only NA's? That plate seems a good location for Turbos too.

GLHS

I think it being hidden is the best aspect of this type of setup.

It also appears to be a good deal in price.



What type of pump and brand of nitrous setup?

David88vert

You don't NEED a machine shop, but it helps if you want to get "creative". :-)

It actually can do less than 80 shots just fine. It's just a little bit of overkill.

Your new setup will be killer for dual stage. :-) Hmmm, maybe I am interested after all.....

BTW - here is a shot of one of my friends N2O setup ..... a small dual stage 1700 shot (500/1200).

The car runs high 6's.

GLHS

But thats not exactly hidden

David88vert

Very true.

But would you believe that this is a sleeper? :-)

GLHS

Sure, if i was sleepin.

scathcart

Indeed it would. I'm going to replace my current first stage with a spray bore system like this one to go on my 3 rotor.

However, tuning a nitrous oxide system with a turbo car, especially stock turbo, can prove quite tiring. No matter what I tried to do, I could not keep creep down. As well, due to the already high risk of detonation, I feel it would probably wind up causing a few more motor deaths, something I don't want on my head.

And, as it has been said before, why bother adding nitrous when you have a turbo car? You should just crank up the boost instead. This attitude seems to hold stead-fast among turbo owners, save boost and myself, and I can't really see spending the time to develop a system like this when it simply will not be used. NA owners are the most likely candidates for spraying, and thus is my reasoning.

If there is turbo interest, I would definitely make one. Sizing probably limited to 50 hp on a stock turbo.

scathcart

Yeah, it will just appear to be two extra vacuum hoses running into the intake.

Brand of pump: I really dunno. I am contemplating using a system suggested by another forum member that would use a second stock pump, which would only be used under nitrous activation. I would like to have this system as bolt-on as possible, without requiring any changes to any existing parts.

Brand: NOS or NX. More than likely NOS. I ahve had great experience with them in the past, and have already attempted to contact a representative to see what kind of pricing I could get on parts.

The only additional items I could see the kit "wanting" would be adding a purge valve, bottle heater, etc etc. Accessories.

I would include a Nitrous pressure gauge, and, more than likely, a fuel pressure gauge, as well as a bottle, lines, valve, spray-bore plate, fuel pump, and some sort of fuel regulatory device.

scathcart

Nice intake.... looks to be custom. That what you need the machine shop for?
The actual install is just 16 tapped holes. Nothing required from a machine shop there, save a drill press, a supplied tap, and a tubing bender.
Nice setup though.

REZN8R

I'd be interested in a system like that. Is Seattle close enough for fitment testing?

scathcart

Sure.
S4 NA? I already have an S5 guy set up.

(I'm building his car up for him. It's gonna be a pretty cool car.)