The perfect shift???
12-03-04, 08:39 AM
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The perfect shift???
Hello everyone, I have an 88 gxl that me and my friend have been working on for a few months. As of right now, I am looking for a good way to shift while racing. When I had my honda civic, the only thing I needed to do was wait for the rpm to get high and slam it into gear w/o the clutch. It was easy, never grinded. However, I tried this a few times in my rx7 because I have a backup tranny, everytime it grinded. Now I am searching for a better way because I am tired of losing ground at moroso.
12-03-04, 09:07 AM
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WTF? You are slamming the manual into first without the clutch? Are you 10 years old? Thats what the clutch is there for. Put the car in first, bring RPM's up, dump/feather clutch. If you are talking about an automatic, well I wouldn't even try to race in that thing.
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12-03-04, 09:55 AM
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try speed shifting, i do it in my 90 gxl when i race. i can speed shift in about .4 seconds
you touch the clutch lightly and dont let the gas off and slam that gear in!
if you do it wrong you will grinde.
you touch the clutch lightly and dont let the gas off and slam that gear in!
if you do it wrong you will grinde.
12-03-04, 09:57 AM
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you wait for the light in the middle to turn blue then green, if you hit the shift right when it turns green you'll shift mad quick y0 and pull like a *****, and the thing will tell you Perfect Shift!. If you wait too long and get a red light you'll be slow.
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12-03-04, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by pengarufoo
you wait for the light in the middle to turn blue then green, if you hit the shift right when it turns green you'll shift mad quick y0 and pull like a *****, and the thing will tell you Perfect Shift!. If you wait too long and get a red light you'll be slow.
oh my god someone needs to take a break from playing Need For Speed Underground 2
and slamming it into gear without using the clutch in your honda civic
thats not good not sure i understand why you would do thatit didnt grind or anything there cuz you already destroyed the tranny and there was nothing left to grind
use the cluth man thats what its there for
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12-03-04, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by EDiddy
lol
oh my god someone needs to take a break from playing Need For Speed Underground 2
and slamming it into gear without using the clutch in your honda civic thats not good not sure i understand why you would do that
it didnt grind or anything there cuz you already destroyed the tranny and there was nothing left to grind
use the cluth man thats what its there for
oh my god someone needs to take a break from playing Need For Speed Underground 2
and slamming it into gear without using the clutch in your honda civic
thats not good not sure i understand why you would do thatit didnt grind or anything there cuz you already destroyed the tranny and there was nothing left to grind
use the cluth man thats what its there for
12-03-04, 11:58 AM
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there is no way to shift ultra fast without destroying something, learn to do it the right way and there are no problems, cars are not videogames and the fact that you have to beat on your n/a that way tells everyone how slow it is, people with horsepower dont rag on their cars only ricers do.
12-03-04, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pengarufoo
Tell me you did not immediately think "Ricer edumucated by NFSU" when you saw the thread title. I know I did.
i did then i read he had a honda civic and that just confirmed it
i think he has been watching the F&F/2F2F like its the holy grail of aumotive coolness and i also immedialtly thought he was 16 or 17 maybe 18 but thats pushing it
i do applaud his desicion to get a 7
i use to own a civic and after i got my 7 i realized i was the typical honda ricer racing and highrevvin my engione al over town
man i was so ashamed at myself cuz i was kidding myslef that i wasnt like that
now when i am driving and see a honda highrevving and racning all over i jsut laugh and proceed to walk all over them if they want a race
man i am glad i upgraded to mature men club
12-03-04, 12:02 PM
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i used to shift without using the clutch sometimes, but not during race!! thats impossible.. YOU NEED THE CLUTCH!!! i shifted without the clutch on my civic when i drove around town in order to save my clutch life, so it'd last longer. when you reach certain rpms its easy to change gears without using the clutch i do it in my bros firebird all the time. but its wierd at first when you do it in a different car.. even so you cant do it when your racing because you dont redline it when you shift without the clutch, you just CANT redline.
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it's not like your going to ruin the clutch. The stock mazda clutch in the rx-7's are pretty freakin beefy. So the chance of wearing it out is pretty slim... I agree with everyone else here, use the darn clutch!
12-03-04, 12:43 PM
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Or getting the HKS transmission with crazy beefy dogteeth (some call it a 'dogmission')
i was just watching a few of those 1000hp skyline videos from japan and they had at least 10 of those trannys lined up ready to be used for probably a whole 3 runs on the track. =p
12-03-04, 01:00 PM
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You're having trouble fast shifting up? lol
That's not a good sign for someone racing.
Most of my troubles with shifting have to do with shifting DOWN... where you have to double clutch and rev match while trying to brake and spin the steering wheel around and keeping on the line...
But if it helps... the way I shift I don't depress the clutch before I start shifting... I'm normally throwing the shifter so fast pulling it out of gear doesn't even give me any resistance... then I hit the clutch just as the teeth on the transmission are about to meet. I normally depress it just enough that I can feel the clutch disengage physically by probably less than half an inch... sometimes it's probably still touching but just has no pressure behind it. If you're pushing the clutch all the way down on your shifts, you're losing LOTS of time.
Of course this is all happening in a few tenths of a second... should be easy to get though... just be good at knowing where your clutch bite points are and your transmission.
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That's not a good sign for someone racing.
Most of my troubles with shifting have to do with shifting DOWN... where you have to double clutch and rev match while trying to brake and spin the steering wheel around and keeping on the line...
But if it helps... the way I shift I don't depress the clutch before I start shifting... I'm normally throwing the shifter so fast pulling it out of gear doesn't even give me any resistance... then I hit the clutch just as the teeth on the transmission are about to meet. I normally depress it just enough that I can feel the clutch disengage physically by probably less than half an inch... sometimes it's probably still touching but just has no pressure behind it. If you're pushing the clutch all the way down on your shifts, you're losing LOTS of time.
Of course this is all happening in a few tenths of a second... should be easy to get though... just be good at knowing where your clutch bite points are and your transmission.
--Gary
12-03-04, 01:17 PM
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Theoretically, you CAN shift without the clutch near redline, if not at redline. Since the rpm's drop so fast when in neutral at redline, the time it takes to slam the shifter from first to second might just be enough time for the revs to come down enough to match up. I've done it a few times in my old Honda Prelude (1981 ), but most of the time it was around cruising rpms.
), but most of the time it was around cruising rpms.
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Originally Posted by Veovius
Theoretically, you CAN shift without the clutch near redline, if not at redline. Since the rpm's drop so fast when in neutral at redline, the time it takes to slam the shifter from first to second might just be enough time for the revs to come down enough to match up. I've done it a few times in my old Honda Prelude (1981 ), but most of the time it was around cruising rpms.
), but most of the time it was around cruising rpms.I've done this on every car i've ever owned with no troubles.
