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Old 05-11-10, 10:29 PM
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ok so im tired of the **** thats on my car...
so im expecting 5 k ish from something im doing i should get it on the 19th ish.
my thing is i dont want spend the 5 k on my rx7 so there a few options
i want 400 hp but im told thats unrelistic

so my options are as follows.

do a compression test on my six port and see what i have
if i have between 85 -100 psi do a 6 port turbo with relatively low boost.
if i have 110 + on all faces then do a 6 port turbo with higher boost

i can rebuild my 6 port with t2 rotors and a streetport

swap a turbo 2 into my car

rebuild a turbo 2 keg i found that just needs coolant seals.

im not really trying to do a t2 swap since its really common.

i really wanna do a haltech also my suspension is pretty good i got agx adjustable.. umm any ideas..?
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come one guys...
i really need to plan what to do... DONT MAKE ME GO TO THE >>>DARK SIDE...
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You could rebuild and port the T2 keg, buy a used stock turbo and get the BNR Stage 3 upgrade, swap a T2 driveline, install a Haltech Platinum Sprint RE, and install fuel and other supporting mods to get about 400hp for pretty close to $5,000.
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so the only reason to even do a 6port turbo is just to be different?

and what can i do for about 3k... i can get the motor trans clutch flywheel and drive shaft for less then 800 bucks. seems that if i set a 3k budget i cant go standalone atleast not with a haltech.

im sorry for my ignorance but wats a bnr? ive seen the abbreviation before
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Originally Posted by no_luck
im not really trying to do a t2 swap since its really common.


Ever think there is a reason everyone does the "common" turbo swap???



Ok, seriously.

Do a turbo n/a. You can do it cheaply and get more power than a stock turbo, turbo II engine. Just got to tune it smart... Don't listen to everyone saying turbo n/a is garbage. Obviously has its drawbacks, but its good power on a budget. But, if you want to all out build the car down the line, TII swap it now to save some cash in the long run.

Now.... do some research.
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Originally Posted by no_luck
bnr?
Its a hybrid turbo.
http://bnrsupercars.com/
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Originally Posted by no_luck
so the only reason to even do a 6port turbo is just to be different?

and what can i do for about 3k... i can get the motor trans clutch flywheel and drive shaft for less then 800 bucks. seems that if i set a 3k budget i cant go standalone atleast not with a haltech.

im sorry for my ignorance but wats a bnr? ive seen the abbreviation before
Well, you could just prep your car by getting that T2 driveline for $800, install a nice new clutch, buy a Haltech Platinum Sprint RE, and upgrade the radiator all for about $3K total. If you do that, then it will be cheaper and easier to take the next step and either upgrade your NA engine or swap a T2 engine, depending on what you decide at that time.

The cheapie Haltech Platinum Sprint RE is about $875.
http://lms-efi.com/

BNR modifies stock turbos. Search for Products/Mazda
http://bnrsupercars.com/

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Do a turbo n/a. You can do it cheaply and get more power than a stock turbo, turbo II engine. Just got to tune it smart... Don't listen to everyone saying turbo n/a is garbage. Obviously has its drawbacks, but its good power on a budget.
Why in the world would he do a turbo NA when he already has a T2 block that only needs a few coolant seals?
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i dont have the block in my hands... im sorry i got a HUGE HEADACHE.. i ment i can get one for pretty cheap.. i just wanna get the most bang for buck. you kno what i mean?even if i dont get my 400hp if i can take out the big upgrades now that would be great to.. so in the future i dont have such a big todo list.

im not going to lie i am rotarded but slowly im learning and i dont want to commit a big mistake early on.
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Originally Posted by no_luck
i dont have the block in my hands... im sorry i got a HUGE HEADACHE.. i ment i can get one for pretty cheap.. i just wanna get the most bang for buck. you kno what i mean?even if i dont get my 400hp if i can take out the big upgrades now that would be great to.. so in the future i dont have such a big todo list.

im not going to lie i am rotarded but slowly im learning and i dont want to commit a big mistake early on.
Oh, I see.

Seriously, if you don't want to make a big mistake early on, this is what I recommend: Buy a running T2 for $3,000, and sell your current car.
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i was thinking that but i think its going to charge more for my insurence.. and a turbo vert is BAD ***...

so ok i guess ill buy the turbo keg then...and rebuild it then cause i was under the impression that a 6port turbo would produce more hp then a t2. so i guess ill do a street port and a bnr turbo but after looking at the prices i can get a holset hx 42. but thanks guys for making my decision easier..

ill update as i go along in my journey. off topic how thick of a sheet of metal would you guys use to do some patch welds on the floor.
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if you want to go standalone and still save money get a Rtek 2.1, its a simi standalone, and the best part is that you work off of the factory base map, you don't have to start from blank maps.
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Originally Posted by no_luck
i was thinking that but i think its going to charge more for my insurence.. and a turbo vert is BAD ***...
I have had 3 different insurance companies, and with each of them my 88 TII and non-turbo 84 and 88 RX-7 coupes were exactly the same rate. While each insurance company will have its own rates, I have yet to get a different quote for the 1Gen and 2Gen coupes. The only difference I have seen is that some charge more for the convertible, and most charge more for the 3Gen coupe. The only way to know for sure is to ask your insurance carrier, but it is most likely that a TII would be the same rate as your convertible, maybe even less.

Unfortunately, if you like convertibles, then you are pretty much stuck with a conversion if you want a turbo.

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i was under the impression that a 6port turbo would produce more hp then a t2.
There is a lot of debate on that subject, and at the high end of the performance spectrum it is a moot point because neither can compete with peripheral porting. The bottom line is that you are on a tight budget and you don't have a lot of experience with these engines yet, in which case it makes more sense to just go with the T2.

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after looking at the prices i can get a holset hx 42.
I mentioned the BNR hybrid because of price and ease. A good full-size turbo would be a better choice than a hybrid from a performance aspect. However, an aftermarket turbo can get expensive once you add in the additional costs of the aftermarket or custom manifold, custom oil and water lines, and aftermarket wastegate. I am not familiar with the HX42, but it if has an internal wastegate like the HX40 then you will save some money there. Even on a budget I recommend you choose the watercooled bearing option because it will negate any need for a turbo timer.

Originally Posted by no_luck
off topic how thick of a sheet of metal would you guys use to do some patch welds on the floor.
I haven't worked on the floor, but for other areas of the car I just went over to the sheet metal supply shop and looked for some drops that were about the same thickness as the original material. However, I am not a good welder, so that may not be the best method.
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You could get a nice t2 for 3k.

Why do you want 400hp?

That's a lot of power and way more than you need to have fun on the street.
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yea i was looking in the turbo section and it looks like guys in there are in the 11-12 with like 300 hp... so i think ill be A OK with 250-300 hp. im sorry if my questions are just plain stupid im just trying to understand what im getting for that amount of money.

as far as a turbo timer.. i dont mind sitting in the car and waiting for the egts to go down cause i dont need some one breaking into my car thinking they can steal it. (i live in a gay *** area) ... if i get the holset hx42 i think they are they are only oil cooled but ill keep that in mind in my search for a turbo.

rtek is a great "semi stand alone" but that whole palm pilot thing just doesnt really fit me but ill keep it in mind depending on my pockets. you kno what they say cant count your piegons before they hatch. or what ever people say.

so im going to need
t2 keg (rebuilt)
intake mani
trans (Clutch flywheel starter driveshaft)
lsd rear end
front mount
tubing
down pip
turbo mani
fuel pump... thinking 2 supra pumps? or a fd or walbaro.
fuel injectors. 720 primaries and 1000 secondaries
ummm.. oh a stand alone (after i decide)
...is there anything else i need?
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