supergoat

So I always see the TII describes as either real sports car('cause it is) or even a supercar. But i never hear the n/a FC described as anything except a n/a RX-7.

So cast your vote.

TriangleMan

just because it's 1.5 seconds slower in the 1/4 it's not a sports car? that's like saying a supra n/a isn't a sports car but the tt is.

supergoat

I agree! I was just felt like making a poll since I have yet to see it described as one. Besides polls are fun.

JerryLH3

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I'll put it this way: Every RX-7 made is a sports car. 1st gens, 2nd gens, 3rd gens, were all designed with sports car like features. To call them anything else is, well, I don't know. But they're sports cars.

Flobb

The 1987 original sales brochure, that I have laying around somewhere, says that the RX-7 is a true sports car. It doesn't put any reference to turbo or non-turbo.

Node

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thats because all RX-7s are sports cars. Top speed isn't everything.

Antonio

This post made me just about blow up. but i read on and im ok now. ofcourse the N/A is a sports car. like previously stated it is a true sports car which means it has a 50/50 weight distribution. If someone where to say an N/A RX-7 was not a true sports car then they would have to say all hard top RX-7s are not sports cars because in some realms truely true sports cars are convertibles so the only true sports car would be a N/A RX-7 Vert. Way back when there where not Turbos so what was a Ferrari. a sedan? Ill put my N/A up against any Turbo on a track and see who comes out on top. probably the other guy but hey ive never been on a track in my life. Anyways, I love RX-7s 1st, 2nd, 3rd N/A or Turbo and hopefully one day a 4th. I love the true sports car.

JerryLH3

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Whoever voted that it is a wannabe, needs to either

A) Stop joking

or

B) At least give us some serious explanation as to why you feel that way. I'll listen.

Wicked7

Uh it was me, but I was just joking

Node

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get the **** outta here *gets ready to bitch smack Wicked7*
har har har

Snrub

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It's definately a real sports car. What detracts is that by today's standards it's thrust is perhaps a bit lacking. If anything it's more a pure sports car than anything close to it's class produced today. Are the current gen V6 Mustang or Camero real sports cars? (or any other gen for that matter) A far better arguement. The prelude has better power but is front wheel drive. Should a real sports car have front wheel drive?

To be honest I wasn't big on the N/A until I got my TII. Then I really started enjoying many of the aspects that are common to both.

Here's another question: Is the TII a supercar? No, the phrase supercar refers to cars from about the ferrari F50 and up. High performance race cars that somehow became street legal. (yes I realize Soul Assasin's TII probably qualifies)

mazdaspeed7

Anybody with a turbo who doesnt think n/a's are sports cars, why dont you come race me.

oohotcarameloo

yeah its gets me pissed sometimes.guys wit turbs think they are so much better than n/as.it kinda gets me pissed sometimes.its true turbs are hot and respected i wont lie but n/a owners must stick together!!!!!11

Brian_TII

That's a pretty brave comment you've made there....

Do you have any dyno runs? Your mod list is pretty impessive....

BTW- I used to have a N/A and I believe fully that it is a true sports car... but by todays standards, it's certianly lacking horsepower... as is the TII for that matter.

RarestRX

Yo,


[Rodney Dangerfield Voice]:

We don't get no respect!!

Yep, my NA FC brothers, we're the red headed stepchilds of the RX-7 community. We weren't the first RX-7's, and we weren't the last. We're the middle child, sometimes forgotten. We don't have the old school charm of the SA/FB, or the sexy curves of the FD. Our own turbo bretheren look down on us. Well, I got one thing to say to all the naysayers: BITE ME!

NA FC's are the shiznat. I love my GTUs, and wouldn't trade it for any other RX-7. Look how many FC's are still around, TONS. Gee, why is that? Well, how about bulletproof reliability. 200K before a rebuild? No problem.

The handling, the brakes, and yes, the acceleration. Don't forget my 'Vert brothers, sexy droptops for fun in the sun. The racing history: IMSA GTU Domination in the 80's, 24 Hours of Daytona's GTU Class won TWELVE YEARS in a ROW by NA RX-7's.

Not sports cars? Hmm, two doors, two seats, 50/50 weight distribution, big brakes, rear drive, yep, those FC's sure are great commuter cars. Hello! If they ain't sportscars, what are they? SUV's?!

So brothers, don't despair, just rail those corners, hit those apexes, and throw those flames. /We/ know the joy of 8000+ rpms in a rotary, and FORGET what anyone says.

KS
1989 GTUs "F*ck 'em!"

mazdaspeed7

Im getting on a dyno Jan 19. Until then, I dont have any solid proof besides 1/8 mile time-slips. I havent been to the track yet, probably going on Wed. I am expection to break into the 8's in the 1/8 by Jan, which would put me into the 13's in the 1/4. Right now, Im expecting very very low 9's, which would be very very low 14's in the 1/4.

I think I would give you a damn good run. You have a little bit of a hp advantage, but my car is lighter.

edit...I just noticed youre from Marietta. Are you coming to the dyno day on Jan 19? Ill be there. Maybe we could race while we're there if youre going.

Agent_D

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damn i wish i had my black FC still, i ran a 14.4 in that car, i would take on modded T2's with that N/A's, to me, are the best i mean yea i like turbos and all, but i love the thrill of telling some v8 rustang guy that he just got beat by 1.3litres of n/a power its your choice though, all RX-7's are sports cars

RX7_Racing2001

WoW im so touched.:1party: hell yea i think all FC's are sports cars! na's and tII's. i've owned a vert too. they are fun!

BLUE TII

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I'm think I will have some fun pissing my TII brethren off w/ this statement- BASE MODEL NA IS MORE A SPORTS CAR THAN A TURBO. Why? What is sports car like about standard power everything and a sunroof like TII has? TII is more a GT (grand touring) car-it is weighted down w/ all the luxuries and then is given more power to make up for it (and then some). I think GTUs is the sportiest U.S. 2nd gen, the JDM Enfini III is sportiest stock 2nd gen ever-2600lbs and turbo power! Mustangs and Camaros? Those are muscle cars as they forsake modern race inspired technology for most horsepower per $$. Just my opinion of what defines a sports car.

Brian_TII

Man... no offense... but I wouldn't get your hopes up on your track times. I know of guys with modified 3rd gens (300+ RWHP) that have trouble getting the #'s you are qouteing...

I'm pretty sure that I'll be at the dyno day... but I'm not really into street racing. We'll see what kind of numbers you pull.

One other thing, don't get your hopes up on dyno runs... you'll typically be disappointed. My N/A nearly made me sick when it "only" pulled 119rwhp. People get their hopes up on dyno runs... and it just SERIOUSLY sucks to not have the car put out what you were planning on it doing. I learned and went to the dyno wiht my TII with an "Open mind" I decided that as long as it made 190hp or higher I would be happy. Point of the story... shoot low on your dyno expectations to avoid dissappointment. (I'm not saying your car won't put out... just trying to give some advice to avoid that sinking sick feeling that I felt on my first dyno day)


Take care,

DroptopRX7

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"The N/A is too slow and the vert is too heavy and a poser." Sound like arguments you've heard from the FD or general Turbo crowd?
Well, the top end isn't everything! Does anyone argue that old (or even when new) MG's, Triumphs (TR2-7), even the Jaguar XKE aren't sports cars? They are lethargic compared to the TII or the FD. They couldn't even handle as adeptly as an N/A. Would the top end crowd contest those aren't sports cars either?? The N/A runs them into the ground in every category...well, it might have a problem with an XKE, but keep reliability in mind! The turbo's are nice, but give me a N/A Rotary anytime.
Stream of consciousness turned off now!

Node

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hell yes, no bottom of the line V6 putt putt car.
We all have the same engine, just some have turbos, some don't. Some are convertibles w/ leather and luxury, some are ready for the track straight off the showroom floor.

Brian_TII

Engine really isn't the same....

mazdaspeed7

No offense to anybody you know who has a hard time getting those times in their 300 hp FD, but you would have to have a horrible launch to pull 8.9 in the 1/8. Stock FD's pull 8.9 consistently with a good driver. My car is quite a bit lighter than stock at 2600 lbs. I have seen a stock 95 Mustang GT pull a 9.3 at the track here, and I raced that same guy(one of my friends) on the street once and pulled on him about a car length. And that was with a few less mods. We'll see on Wednesday though, I am going to the track as long as it doesnt rain.

I understand what youre saying about they dyno. Ive seen way too many people expecting good numbers only to come home with disappointment from the numbers being so low. I have a goal I would like to break, but Im not going to be to disappointed if I dont hit it.

Do you have aim? IM me sometime, my sn is af24179

Node

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Not exactly but we have same displacement, not quite as different as a V6 vs a V8
but anyways, 193/260 for them (i thought GTs had near 280) and 160/200, closer, but im gonna stop talking now